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Re: HelenOS 0.8

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Post by im_down_w_otp »

mwfunk wrote: post #30
jstanley wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't it be allowed?

Every feature has a cost. Not just cost to develop, but cost to maintain. Every feature has a benefit- how useful is it, for how many users? If the cost outweighs the benefit, then it shouldn’t be allowed, for the sake of keeping the code maintainable and minimally fragile. Portrait orientation for displays isn’t unheard of, but it’s very very uncommon amongst even technical users. I’m sure a bunch of people reading…

I understand what you're getting at here, but it's also possible that this wasn't a directly pursued feature, and may have just naturally fallen out trivially from their display system's architecture & implementation as a by-product. If so, then the cost would be to exclude the capability explicitly.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#32

Post by aeontech »

nolok wrote: post #28
reaperducer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume that everyone has their monitors the way you do. At work, I have two large 16:9 monitors rotated in portrait orientation (tall), so this would be useful to me. Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. This allows you to have your monitor in portrait orientation, or mounted from the ceiling or a shelf, hanging upside down so there's nothing taking up space on the desk in front of you. I've…

> Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. Windows has supported landscape/portrait switching since forever, I think it was already there in windows XP almost two decades ago, if not it was in 7 for sure (and it's in 10 since I use it right now).

Landscape-portrait switch _is_ 90-degree. Parent poster is pointing out that this OS supports finer grained orientation rotations.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#33

Post by reificator »

nolok wrote: post #28
reaperducer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume that everyone has their monitors the way you do. At work, I have two large 16:9 monitors rotated in portrait orientation (tall), so this would be useful to me. Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. This allows you to have your monitor in portrait orientation, or mounted from the ceiling or a shelf, hanging upside down so there's nothing taking up space on the desk in front of you. I've…

> Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. Windows has supported landscape/portrait switching since forever, I think it was already there in windows XP almost two decades ago, if not it was in 7 for sure (and it's in 10 since I use it right now).

> > Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments.

> Windows has supported landscape/portrait switching since forever, I think it was already there in windows XP almost two decades ago, if not it was in 7 for sure (and it's in 10 since I use it right now).

Allowing portrait is exactly what 90 degree rotation means.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

#34

Post by DHowett »

nolok wrote: post #28
reaperducer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume that everyone has their monitors the way you do. At work, I have two large 16:9 monitors rotated in portrait orientation (tall), so this would be useful to me. Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. This allows you to have your monitor in portrait orientation, or mounted from the ceiling or a shelf, hanging upside down so there's nothing taking up space on the desk in front of you. I've…

> Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. Windows has supported landscape/portrait switching since forever, I think it was already there in windows XP almost two decades ago, if not it was in 7 for sure (and it's in 10 since I use it right now).

True though this may be, the quoted parent did not say "only macOS allows". They're asserting that on macOS, the only available options are in 90-degree increments.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

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Post by xyproto »

jpm_sd wrote: post #3
ianai wrote: post #2

I like the concept. It sounds like a modern take on some of the plan9 ideas. Decoupling of system components into components that work together through a message passing framework.

Sounds a bit like QNX actually

Is QNX used anywhere? Sounds interesting.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

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Post by reaperducer »

nolok wrote: post #28
reaperducer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume that everyone has their monitors the way you do. At work, I have two large 16:9 monitors rotated in portrait orientation (tall), so this would be useful to me. Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. This allows you to have your monitor in portrait orientation, or mounted from the ceiling or a shelf, hanging upside down so there's nothing taking up space on the desk in front of you. I've…

> Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. Windows has supported landscape/portrait switching since forever, I think it was already there in windows XP almost two decades ago, if not it was in 7 for sure (and it's in 10 since I use it right now).

Windows has supported landscape/portrait switching since forever, I think it was already there in windows XP almost two decades ago, if not it was in 7 for sure (and it's in 10 since I use it right now).

I wasn't trying to make a comparison to Windows, or start an OS war. I'm not sure why you even brought up Windows, since this discussion is about HelenOS.

But for what it's worth, Macs have supported portrait mode since 1989†, back when Microsoft was still pushing Windows 2.

† https://everymac.com/monitors/apple/classic_monitors/specs/a...

Re: HelenOS 0.8

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Post by tejtm »

scrumper wrote: post #29
GordonS wrote: post #21

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> At work, I have two large 16:9 monitors rotated in portrait orientation (tall), so this would be useful to me. OK... but at 45 degrees?

Non-desk applications: vehicle, industrial, marine.

oooooh, stays steady with the boat pitching/rolling

Re: HelenOS 0.8

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

reaperducer wrote: post #19
warent wrote: post #15

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Tiny nitpick but the screenshot showing an application window rotated ~45 degrees is a little terrifying. Why would that be allowed?

You assume that everyone has their monitors the way you do. At work, I have two large 16:9 monitors rotated in portrait orientation (tall), so this would be useful to me. Currently macOS only allows 90-degree rotation increments. This allows you to have your monitor in portrait orientation, or mounted from the ceiling or a shelf, hanging upside down so there's nothing taking up space on the desk in front of you. I've…

I suspect this is to show off the compositing GUI: I recall this sort of things in screenshots of compiz/beryl when compositing window managers were new to Linux.

Re: HelenOS 0.8

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Post by ianai »

xyproto wrote: post #35
jpm_sd wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds a bit like QNX actually

Is QNX used anywhere? Sounds interesting.

I’ve seen other comments describe QNX being used in embedded systems needing rock solid performance.
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