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Evaluation of five password managers

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Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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No keepass? Disappointed.

Extremely. I've been so pleased with Keepass and the security it provides. I'm using a web interface now ( https://app.keeweb.info/ ) which is open source and worth checking out.

Keeweb is pretty awesome, and is amazingly just a static HTML page. If you're comfortable running your own secure webserver, you can self-host that for added security: https://github.com/keeweb/keeweb#self-hosting

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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> Mac OS, Windows, Linux, Android, and iOS ... full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. In other words, lack of full Linux support is a show-stopper for us. This ruled out 1Password... ...Huh? 1Password supports all of those platforms (including Linux) https://1password.com/downloads/linux/

That page says, "Requires Google Chrome or Firefox," and the download link takes you to the Chrome web store. I'm not sure the poster considers that full support.

How many Linux users don't have chrome or firefox installed?

I think the article would be a bit more accurate to say there's not native client support for Linux.

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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> Mac OS, Windows, Linux, Android, and iOS ... full functionality can’t be dependent on an app which is only available on Mac OS and/or Windows. In other words, lack of full Linux support is a show-stopper for us. This ruled out 1Password... ...Huh? 1Password supports all of those platforms (including Linux) https://1password.com/downloads/linux/

It really doesn't. I'm a full time linux user and I can tell you the support from both lastpass and 1password is abysmal. I have to copy and paste my passwords from both of those platforms using their half-baked browser plugins that rarely work with linux clipboards.

It's interesting to me that you've had trouble using the 1password browser plugin on linux; it isn't quite as handy as having a native app as you do on OSX, but I've never had any trouble at all with it.

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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I've been using masterpassword [1] which is stateless and requires no sync. I wonder what the HN crowd thinks of its features. Another option with the same paradigm is lesspass [2]. 1. https://masterpassword.app/ 2. https://lesspass.com/#/

There's a few issues with the master password derived password system, including:

What if you need to change your password for a site to a different one?

What if the site changes its URL?

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really doesn't. I'm a full time linux user and I can tell you the support from both lastpass and 1password is abysmal. I have to copy and paste my passwords from both of those platforms using their half-baked browser plugins that rarely work with linux clipboards.

It's interesting to me that you've had trouble using the 1password browser plugin on linux; it isn't quite as handy as having a native app as you do on OSX, but I've never had any trouble at all with it.

I also find 1password browser plugin fairly crap. Sometimes it doesn't play nice with chrome, sometimes it doesn't show the correct logins so I have to open the plugin, navigate to it, and then do two copy pastes.

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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I'm using Chrome's built-in password manager. What are the drawbacks besides it being Google?

You're forever locked into Google Chrome! I realize this is becoming an increasingly minor problem in the modern world, but it still bothers me. I don't know what future situations I'll find myself in, and I don't want to be locked out of all my accounts. • What if a new browser comes out that's actually better than Chrome? (I don't want to admit to myself how unlikely this actually is.) • What happens if I'm using a…

I recently starting using Firefox again, and getting my passwords out of Chrome was by far the most difficult part of the process for me. A few things I learned:

Chrome has a feature to export passwords to a CSV file, but I had to enable it via a chrome:flag, so who knows if/when support for this will disappear. This created a bit of a sense of urgency for me, as Google aggressively removes features that they don't want to support.

My employer MITMs all web traffic, so I would never log into my Google account from work. They also have an ridiculously strict password change policy (every 3 months). But having a password manager on my phone lets me store passwords for my various work-related accounts somewhere, which makes each password change fairly easy, and also lets me log into certain work-related apps/sites (e.g. Slack) from home.

If you have multiple accounts on a single website, it's a bit easier to do in a password manager (at least Keepass or Bitwarden).

Chrome is a web browser, so it only remembers passwords to websites. If you have passwords that don't map to a website - e.g. hard drive encryption password, a pgp/ssh key, a wifi password), it's a bit easier to do in a password manager.

Some password managers have OTP generators built-in, which can be convenient.

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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I've been using masterpassword [1] which is stateless and requires no sync. I wonder what the HN crowd thinks of its features. Another option with the same paradigm is lesspass [2]. 1. https://masterpassword.app/ 2. https://lesspass.com/#/

A good critique of these systems is here: https://tonyarcieri.com/4-fatal-flaws-in-deterministic-passw..., discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13016132

The general consensus of security experts seems to be that they're a bad idea.

I think my setup using `password-store` works great, and arguably is more secure since I rotate my passwords regularly as well.

The main reason I argue my system is more secure is that it has a physical gpg yubikey token to decrypt my password database.

In the 'deterministic password managers', there's no easy way to require that you have physical access to my yubikey in order to decrypt the passwords. You could keylog the master phrase in the case of deterministic ones and have a persistent pwn... heck, just typing the master password into a public slack by accident pwns most deterministic password managers (as pointed out in the above article)

On the other hand, even if someone keylogs my yubikey's user pin, well, they still need to either have the yubikey or to trick me into unlocking the yubikey again for their malicious attacking software. If I accidentally type my user pin into slack, I really don't have to worry all that much.

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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One feature I didn't see mentioned—LastPass has a Bookmarklet that can be used in leu of a proper extension. This means that if I ever decide to start using a random niche web browser, I won't have to start copying and pasting from a web vault in order to log in to sites.

The freedom to do this is important to me regardless of whether I ever actually use it.

Re: Evaluation of five password managers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That page says, "Requires Google Chrome or Firefox," and the download link takes you to the Chrome web store. I'm not sure the poster considers that full support.

How many Linux users don't have chrome or firefox installed? I think the article would be a bit more accurate to say there's not native client support for Linux.

There are applications besides web browsers that require passwords. For example, password-protected documents, or encrypted archives. A password managers that requires, or only supports, web browsers is incomplete.
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