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Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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> I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). PureOS is Debian based linux operating system.[1] > I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down? It depends entirely on how and who you trust. If you implicitly trust Apple and that their goal now (and in the future!) and that their team can vet all the code going in to…

Does that mean its running systemd? I thought that was generally frowned upon. I don't know enough to have end opinion myself but it seems like systemd was questionable especially for this type of endeavor.

Why would systemd be frowned upon, and why would it be questionable for something like this?

To my knowledge, most of the problems people have with systemd are because it replaced an extremely old and well known and understood system generally implemented with shell scripts and replaced it with a more complex and engineered project to get speed and extra features (pre-opening pipes and re-spawning listeners on the other end when a client want something from them, etc). In an effort to provide a more seamless boot, traditionally external projects ended up being subsumed (DHCP, and DNS resolution to support robust network support on boot).

I'm not sure if it was ultimately the right decision or not, but since to my knowledge almost every major distribution has adopted it, I assume it's viewed as worthwhile by qiute a lot of people within the distribution planning community at least.

I'm not really sure how any of that relates to this project specifically, so perhaps you're referring to some other aspect of it?

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). PureOS is Debian based linux operating system.[1] > I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down? It depends entirely on how and who you trust. If you implicitly trust Apple and that their goal now (and in the future!) and that their team can vet all the code going in to…

Does that mean its running systemd? I thought that was generally frowned upon. I don't know enough to have end opinion myself but it seems like systemd was questionable especially for this type of endeavor.

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Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

Your comment inspired me to preorder one. So I just did. Thanks!

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

Agreed, I'm not sure how you reconcile advocating open soft/hardware with not pushing it along as people try to make it viable.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

Totally agree. I don’t feel like I can pay for a phone right now but I’m already working on an app for it.

Also donating some time and money to postmarketOS and ubports(the community continuation of the ubuntu phone) because I really want any or all of these to be successful.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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post #29
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). PureOS is Debian based linux operating system.[1] > I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down? It depends entirely on how and who you trust. If you implicitly trust Apple and that their goal now (and in the future!) and that their team can vet all the code going in to…

Does that mean its running systemd? I thought that was generally frowned upon. I don't know enough to have end opinion myself but it seems like systemd was questionable especially for this type of endeavor.

The librem5 may as well be subtitled "The GNOME phone", I think it goes without saying that it will use systemd.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Would be interested in some links to SDKs and/or style guides. As a developer, how do I get started writing my app to target the Librem 5? Went through the website and many forums but haven't found any definitive.

I just went through their SDK docs.

https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Apps/index.html

Looking at their guides, the app APIs usability is a joke from Android point of view, even Tizen has better docs.

https://developer.tizen.org/development/api-references/nativ...

Best of luck I guess.

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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I'm in love with the mission - but don't want to really have to switch ecosystems again (from Linux --> Apple --> PureOS). I love OSX - could I not do the same with OSX by tightening it down?

You aren't even root on your own device what tightening down do you imagine is possible?

Re: Librem 5 dev kits are shipping

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Every time Purism is mentioned on HN there are always people chiming in with negativity around how it's not open or secure or free enough, based on some unachievable metric of those things and with an side dose of utopian fantasizing. Buy one of these phones because you - Want a 'free' phone to exist in the future - Want an open source phone to exist in the future - Want a secure phone to exist in the future It may n…

Spend it, preorder one.

It most likely will never make it to production. At this point in time, if the creators were being honest, they would either have announced an OEM sign up, or have announced that it has already been delayed beyond Spring 2019.

As much as I like donations to causes, donations to doomed causes who aren't honest about the probability they'll ever come close to a reality are useless.

They advertise lifetime updates for a product they don't even have a supply chain lined up? Really? And the money spent will serve to (according to them) support the development process? So who will actually pay for the phones ordered?

Wishful thinking is nice, but it is nothing beyond wishful.

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