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Re: Shame Storm

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Post by writepub » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:31 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #20

busterarm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't debating their points, you're debating their motives, as does your top post. This is literally textbook ad hominem here.

I can't help but notice the irony that all you're doing here is ad hominem against me, in an even purer form.

Discussion here is not about the author's (supposed) background, or ulterior motive, it's about the merits of the issues specifically discussed in the article. It's best to focus on that

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by manfredo » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:31 PM UTC

jeremysalwen wrote: post #21

Don't really think the Kavanaugh example really fits in with the rest. Sorry, if you want to be a Supreme Court justice, yes, you should should be held to a much higher standard. Yelling about "revenge on behalf of the Clintons" does indeed count as "partisan bitterness".

If allegation of a decades old crime at an unspecified date, time, and location, and with no corroborating evidence is enough to block a Supreme Court nomination then we're not going to be nominating new justices any time soon (Democrat or Republican).

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by yosefzeev » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

An opinion that is politically fueled should not allow this form of "shaming" unless we want to throw free speech out the window. Our small church was "Targeted" because I gave some advice to a gay woman who asked for it about her kids. She then tried to wreck our lives over the asked for advice. You can read the account here: https://www.scribd.com/document/389212460/Antisemitism-in-We...

Others got on the "Band wagon" at different intervals. Whatever the justification is for such behavior, ultimately there is no justification.

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by hopefulengineer » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

progressives have taken us back in time to the days of the inquisition where heretics must be removed from society. These beliefs have absolutely taken on a religious fervor

James watson, the man who discovered DNA structure, has been excommunicated for saying intelligence could be genetic and that would ruin the equality movement so he had to be removed

It reminds me of galileo and his imprisonment related to heliocentrism

"and yet it moves"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11261872/James-Wats...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_yet_it_moves

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by tashi » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:33 PM UTC

bdz wrote: post #25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_left

The central story is about how a conservative author was publicly shamed by her conservative ex-boyfriend, so I'm not sure how illuminating your link will be.

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by sethrin » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

I think that the actual issue is the collective desire for punishment, and our inability to forgive others. From what I can see, forgiveness is something that we should strive to achieve as soon as possible after an offense. It's far too easy to hold people in public contempt, or prison, far longer than their just deserts.

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by BryantD » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:35 PM UTC

I have a pretty simple algorithm for articles about the dangers of public shaming. If they fail to catalog GamerGate and the online shaming of Zoe Quinn as an example of the problem, they are probably not a balanced look at the phenomenon. I find Justine Sacco's case is a reasonable metric for the other half of the equation.

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:35 PM UTC

alehul wrote: post #5

Really interesting read-- this reminds me a ton of the New Criterion, which is constantly publishing articles of a similar style [1]. It's composed in this verbose, sometimes satirical New Yorker-style of writing, and offers such a stark contrast to what's normally cited as a "politically right" source, like Fox News, which I find pretty abhorrent in quality. Thanks for linking to this; it's immensely important to le…

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Re: Shame Storm

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Post by perfmode » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:36 PM UTC

manfredo wrote: post #32

jeremysalwen wrote: post #21

Don't really think the Kavanaugh example really fits in with the rest. Sorry, if you want to be a Supreme Court justice, yes, you should should be held to a much higher standard. Yelling about "revenge on behalf of the Clintons" does indeed count as "partisan bitterness".

If allegation of a decades old crime at an unspecified date, time, and location, and with no corroborating evidence is enough to block a Supreme Court nomination then we're not going to be nominating new justices any time soon (Democrat or Republican).

His attitude while defending himself on the stand is the basis for which I would rescind his nomination. His behavior was not befitting of someone who is about to be conferred lifetime appointment to the highest court in the country. I don’t want him crafting laws and making decisions that impact huge groups of people.

Re: Shame Storm

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Post by jerf » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:36 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #20

busterarm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't debating their points, you're debating their motives, as does your top post. This is literally textbook ad hominem here.

I can't help but notice the irony that all you're doing here is ad hominem against me, in an even purer form.

Telling someone they are using ad hominem is a specific relevant criticism, not dismissing you because you are just an intrinsically bad person who has wrongthink. Ad hominem is something specific, not just a catchall for disagreement, despite the popularity of that interpretation.