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Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#31

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Upvoting this idea. I've spent quite a few weeks up in cabins producing code that I had a hard time concentrating on elsewhere. Easy access to lots of people with interesting stories (who are generally willing to listen to what you have to say) and opportunities to clear your mind with some intense exercise makes ski resorts a clear winner in my book. Now that I think about it, quite a few of the good developers and…

This sounds like an interesting plan. I'm in the south east U.S, any suggestions on where to apply? What state would be the best? I've got $1k laying around, for a single dude I can make that stretch.

Vail (Colorado) is big enough to need an IT department and have a night life. Denver is a fun city but I agree with original reply that you should get into the mountains.

Utah has amazing skiing close to Salt Lake City, check out Backcountry.com: http://www.backcountrycorp.com/corporate/section/2/jobs.html...

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#32
Not sure if school is worth the cost right now... but maybe try doing something outside of software development. Have you considered something in the social sector / volunteer work? One of the best ways to get more excited about life is feeling like you're really helping others and making a difference people's lives, especially people less fortunate than yourself.

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#33

I realized I only enjoy software if I'm building what I want to build or something that interests me. You know what? It's called work because it isn't fun. Most people do a day job to pay the bills. It's part of being a grown-up and it comes with commitments and responsibilities that yeah, sort of suck a lot of the time. Even if you're lucky enough to do something you love for a living (and I am) it isn't passionate…

You know what? It's called work because it isn't fun. Most people do a day job to pay the bills. It's part of being a grown-up and it comes with commitments and responsibilities that yeah, sort of suck a lot of the time. Even if you're lucky enough to do something you love for a living (and I am) it isn't passionate enthusiasm all of the time. Know what? I guess, you're wrong. If you (abstract you , not the you I am…

Man you must really enjoy paying bills and filling out paperwork and other wonderful, fun, life affirming activities (haggling over a car, getting sick, stuck in traffic, selling stuff). 'cause you can't get through life without that.

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#34

I realized I only enjoy software if I'm building what I want to build or something that interests me. You know what? It's called work because it isn't fun. Most people do a day job to pay the bills. It's part of being a grown-up and it comes with commitments and responsibilities that yeah, sort of suck a lot of the time. Even if you're lucky enough to do something you love for a living (and I am) it isn't passionate…

You know what? It's called work because it isn't fun. Most people do a day job to pay the bills. It's part of being a grown-up and it comes with commitments and responsibilities that yeah, sort of suck a lot of the time. Even if you're lucky enough to do something you love for a living (and I am) it isn't passionate enthusiasm all of the time. Know what? I guess, you're wrong. If you (abstract you , not the you I am…

I think his point was more that you can't expect anyone to be genuinely enthusiastic and passionate 100% of the time, even if they're doing something they love. There are times when part of the work sucks even if you're working toward something awesome. Sometimes the periods of suck can last much longer than you'd like.

I love my job, and I'm quite enthusiastic about it most of the time. But on some days I just don't feel good, and sometimes things like meetings can get annoying. Just because I don't enjoy it 100% of the time, all day every day doesn't mean I'm pitiful or that I'm wasting my life.

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoting this idea. I've spent quite a few weeks up in cabins producing code that I had a hard time concentrating on elsewhere. Easy access to lots of people with interesting stories (who are generally willing to listen to what you have to say) and opportunities to clear your mind with some intense exercise makes ski resorts a clear winner in my book. Now that I think about it, quite a few of the good developers and…

This sounds like an interesting plan. I'm in the south east U.S, any suggestions on where to apply? What state would be the best? I've got $1k laying around, for a single dude I can make that stretch.

Vermont. But I'm biased.

http://burlington.craigslist.org/wri/1989157735.html http://www.smuggs.com/pages/universal/jobs/current.php etc...

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#36
For reference, I'm 19 and a freshman in college.

From my perspective, college has a lot to offer. Research, the chance to meet important people in the field, the chance to meet interesting people out of the field. These influenced my decision to be here (though I hadn't actually considered the possibility that college wasn't a requirement).

If you know your interests, I think going to college (for a degree) is a great way to go, because you can learn cool stuff full-time and meet people like you. Clearly you thought you did know -- but it turns out that working as a webdev wasn't the answer.

Given that, you probably need to talk to people who aren't the people you identify with. My vote is to take some time to find your interests, by traveling or being a bum on the streets of New York. Talk to everyone you meet about their interests. (Make a point, of course, to meet anyone and everyone you possibly can.) Hopefully you'll find that someone will infect you with their own passion.

If none of those float your boat, then get a part time job (one that you won't tie to your identity -- it's hard to get burnt out from being a waiter, even if it sucks to do) and make enough to pay your living expenses while you take classes in any subject you can think of at a community college. (Not for a degree, but to see if anything catches your interest.)

Whatever path you need to take, find _something_ that interests you. And then do it.

If it turns out later that web development (but only cool projects) is really what you want to do, then do it. If you still can't do it as a salaried position, other HNers have recommended going freelance. I'd say either that or keep your non-identity day job while you build shit on the side -- just make sure that one of your projects is making you enough money to put something away, because you won't be able to live forever on next to nothing.

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoting this idea. I've spent quite a few weeks up in cabins producing code that I had a hard time concentrating on elsewhere. Easy access to lots of people with interesting stories (who are generally willing to listen to what you have to say) and opportunities to clear your mind with some intense exercise makes ski resorts a clear winner in my book. Now that I think about it, quite a few of the good developers and…

This sounds like an interesting plan. I'm in the south east U.S, any suggestions on where to apply? What state would be the best? I've got $1k laying around, for a single dude I can make that stretch.

Mammoth Mountain. It's the best in the USA. Plus you would be gaining residency months in California, which has the best community college system in the USA. You can go to CC in CA for $20 a credit and then transfer into Berkeley if you take the right classes and get good grades.

Smuggs is fun (prefer Stowe and Okemo, tho) and I love Vermont but the economy there (and anywhere in NE besides Boston) has been in the dumps for years. You'll have to move out of state once the season is over. Plus, all the Northeast resorts are full of grouchy telemarkers and finance dingleberries from Boston and NYC. Mammoth Mountain is filled with olympic snowboarding hopefuls during the week and hot chicks from LA on the weekends. Also consider Big Bear if you want to maximize the social aspect, but it's a much worse hill.

The downside is that it's hard to actually get a job at Mammoth because all the spots are already taken by Australians. Also, the available jobs that are easy to get are usually in food service.

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what? It's called work because it isn't fun. Most people do a day job to pay the bills. It's part of being a grown-up and it comes with commitments and responsibilities that yeah, sort of suck a lot of the time. Even if you're lucky enough to do something you love for a living (and I am) it isn't passionate enthusiasm all of the time. Know what? I guess, you're wrong. If you (abstract you , not the you I am…

Man you must really enjoy paying bills and filling out paperwork and other wonderful, fun, life affirming activities (haggling over a car, getting sick, stuck in traffic, selling stuff). 'cause you can't get through life without that.

But "haggling over a car, getting sick, stuck in traffic, selling stuff" are minor annoyances compared to sitting at a desk for at least 6 hours every day, 5 days a week, 261 days a year working on what amounts in your mind to be absolute BS.

And, this is coming from someone who works a 9-to-5 (albeit from home, which I believe helps IMMENSELY), and who is working on starting his second business (the first one was totally misguided and I had no heart for the industry, so it sorta fizzled out). I don't want to quit because the work sucks, I dig it just fine; I just want to go my own way. That way, my complaints of low pay, paltry vacation time, benefit shrinkage, or lack of a window overlooking cool stuff flow straight to someone who may listen and respond a little better.

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoting this idea. I've spent quite a few weeks up in cabins producing code that I had a hard time concentrating on elsewhere. Easy access to lots of people with interesting stories (who are generally willing to listen to what you have to say) and opportunities to clear your mind with some intense exercise makes ski resorts a clear winner in my book. Now that I think about it, quite a few of the good developers and…

This sounds like an interesting plan. I'm in the south east U.S, any suggestions on where to apply? What state would be the best? I've got $1k laying around, for a single dude I can make that stretch.

I did Park City, Utah. Best snow on Earth and SLC is 35 mins away and has a burgeoning startup scene (even their own YC style program in BoomStartup). Rent is about in the 500 - 600 range. Less if you live 20 south in Heber.

Re: Ask HN: 19, developer, burnt out, advice please

#40
Go to college.

  Take science to discover something you're good at.
  Take humanities to discover something you may love.
  Take at least one art or music class.
  Take at least one advanced math class.
  Join a fraternity.
  Learn how to play bridge (and play all night sometime).
  Learn how to play foosball.
  Get drunk.
  Learn how to play foosball while drunk.
  Get laid.
  Play an intramural team sport.
  Get a part time job.
  Eat something you never tried before at least once/month.
  Get high.
  Do original research.
  Take a class you think you'll hate pass/fail.
  Do 5 minutes at a comedy club on open mike night.
  Hang out with a professor you like.
  Get laid.
  Do a web start-up on the side.
  Make a few friends for life.
  Go to at least one party each week.
  Pick a major you love whether it makes career sense or not.
  Get someone who has written one of your text books to sign it.
  Blog about your college experience.
  Get laid.
  Go to Europe with nothing but a backpack for a month or two.
  Enter a college talent show.
  Meet as many interesting (and boring) people as you can.
  Read good books.
  Go without shoes for a week just for the hell of it.
  Get laid.
  Graduate.
  
If you don't go to college, exactly when do you expect to do all of this?
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