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WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by goatherders »

dpau wrote: post #22
joekrill wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely right. The big issue (for me, at least), is that it's a security nightmare. At least last I used it. It seemed there were security exploits popping up every day. Either from the core codebase, or from some random plugin everyone seemed to be using. I think that was just the nature of how their plugin system works? I'm not sure if anything's changed, but _maintaining_ a WordPress install is not fun a…

I used to help artists with setting up Wordpress portfolio sites. But the constant maintenance required (updating Wordpress & plugins, making sure that all plugins are secure and maintained, and checking after each update to make sure nothing was broken), as well as the rise of platforms like Squarespace, Wix & Weebly, means that I no longer recommend Wordpress for those types of clients. Artists just want to show an…

As a free market tends to do, this has been largely solved. Perfect Dashboard, iThemes/Liquid Web and others now offer technology that auto updates core and plugins and rolls them back if anything breaks. 95% of the old pain of updating and patching is solved with these tools.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by RobGav »

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #14

I know a lot of people dislike PHP and WordPress, but I haven't found _anything_ that comes close to it in terms of sheer extensibility and plugin ecosystem. There's a plugin for pretty much anything you might want to do with a platform. I even moved my personal Jekyll-powered blog to WordPress a few years ago. My favorite thing about WordPress is that it's a known quantity. There's an easy to follow tutorial teachin…

You can check GetPublii CMS , works similar to WP but generates static output. https://github.com/GetPublii/Publii

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by photomatt »

dpau wrote: post #22
joekrill wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely right. The big issue (for me, at least), is that it's a security nightmare. At least last I used it. It seemed there were security exploits popping up every day. Either from the core codebase, or from some random plugin everyone seemed to be using. I think that was just the nature of how their plugin system works? I'm not sure if anything's changed, but _maintaining_ a WordPress install is not fun a…

I used to help artists with setting up Wordpress portfolio sites. But the constant maintenance required (updating Wordpress & plugins, making sure that all plugins are secure and maintained, and checking after each update to make sure nothing was broken), as well as the rise of platforms like Squarespace, Wix & Weebly, means that I no longer recommend Wordpress for those types of clients. Artists just want to show an…

Check out Jetpack, it can auto-update all your plugins, and has a "Rewind" feature with real-time backups so you can one-click take your site back to a previous state if anything didn't work.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by agumonkey »

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #14

I know a lot of people dislike PHP and WordPress, but I haven't found _anything_ that comes close to it in terms of sheer extensibility and plugin ecosystem. There's a plugin for pretty much anything you might want to do with a platform. I even moved my personal Jekyll-powered blog to WordPress a few years ago. My favorite thing about WordPress is that it's a known quantity. There's an easy to follow tutorial teachin…

Just don't look into plugin sources. Maybe it improved since, but in 2011 it was frightening. hundred line long nested for loops with an almost exact copy just below but not really. Then commented code in the published source. In a top 20 plugin at the time.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by k__ »

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #14

I know a lot of people dislike PHP and WordPress, but I haven't found _anything_ that comes close to it in terms of sheer extensibility and plugin ecosystem. There's a plugin for pretty much anything you might want to do with a platform. I even moved my personal Jekyll-powered blog to WordPress a few years ago. My favorite thing about WordPress is that it's a known quantity. There's an easy to follow tutorial teachin…

"I was optimistic about Ghost becoming a viable alternative to WordPress. Sadly, Ghost's plugin API still doesn't seem to be complete."

To me, it felt like Ghost is simply WordPress in JavaScript and I don't think anyone wants that.

Why switch away from PHP just to get the same things and as you mentioned not even get the same things but less?

Ghost, Sails, Ember, they all try to emulate principles from projects of the past.

Gatsby, Amplify and React are doing things differently and aren't copies of Wordpress or Rails, that's why changing to them is a good idea if the different approaches are worth it. Not just because it's cool to use JavaScript...

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

photomatt wrote: post #33
dpau wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to help artists with setting up Wordpress portfolio sites. But the constant maintenance required (updating Wordpress & plugins, making sure that all plugins are secure and maintained, and checking after each update to make sure nothing was broken), as well as the rise of platforms like Squarespace, Wix & Weebly, means that I no longer recommend Wordpress for those types of clients. Artists just want to show an…

Check out Jetpack, it can auto-update all your plugins, and has a "Rewind" feature with real-time backups so you can one-click take your site back to a previous state if anything didn't work.

I did a lot of WP dev from 2007 to 2011 or so, and I still run my businesses on Wordpress today. I hadn't really dug into Gutenberg yet, but I just played with https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ and I think a lot of people are overreacting. It's a very big change, but it feels like the right move for the future of Wordpress. I'm sure it's not easy to move a community forward in a new direction when there is a global ecosystem comprised of tens (hundreds?) of millions of websites, developers, designers, users, and entire companies invested in the status quo. I don't envy you!

Also, appreciate you still stopping into HN to chat :)

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by shortformblog »

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #14

I know a lot of people dislike PHP and WordPress, but I haven't found _anything_ that comes close to it in terms of sheer extensibility and plugin ecosystem. There's a plugin for pretty much anything you might want to do with a platform. I even moved my personal Jekyll-powered blog to WordPress a few years ago. My favorite thing about WordPress is that it's a known quantity. There's an easy to follow tutorial teachin…

I like the work Ghost has done, but I'm moving away from it in favor of Craft, in part because I feel like my needs are moving faster than that project is.

I think you'd find Craft (https://craftcms.com/) to cover most of your needs and desires from the ecosystem standpoint. It's PHP-based but it's also well-designed and its approach allows for the kind of flexibility that you have to work really hard to get elsewhere.

I was able to set it up with a Markdown editor, shortcodes, Imgix, and a bunch of other must-haves for my use case very quickly thanks to the existing plugin community. And the issues I did run into, I found help from the community almost immediately.

The only downside, really, is that its license isn't open in the way WordPress is, though it's free to use for single-user projects.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by js4ever »

tvanantwerp wrote: post #3
pmlnr wrote: post #2

I seriously dislike the fact that an exteremely wide-spread open source project - wordpress.org - is driven by a for-profit company, wordpress.com. I guess there's no way around it, given Automattic employs most contributors, but this is not the first time when community requests and doubts are ignored (see emojis, half-baked media library refactoring, etc). On the other hand, I'd welcome if these forced changes woul…

I've been looking hard for an open source replacement for the backend that would let my users edit as simply as with WordPress, but not tie my hands with PHP and an odd API for creating the front end. But so far, I haven't found anything that meets users needs like WordPress does. I wish there were more competition in this space. The closest I've seen--different services that let you create content and provide a Grap…

Check this: https://appdrag.com It's a cloud CMS and backend It's also crazy fast and serverless.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by josefresco »

As someone who hosts over 150 WordPress websites for small businesses ... I'm not thrilled about this release and the work it will entail given the editor overhaul.

Another user posted this: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2018/12/06/5-0-gutenberg-sta...

Also this posted by the author of Advanced Custom Fields, a very popular plugin: https://twitter.com/wp_acf/status/1070089217479307264

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by dazc »

photomatt wrote: post #33
dpau wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to help artists with setting up Wordpress portfolio sites. But the constant maintenance required (updating Wordpress & plugins, making sure that all plugins are secure and maintained, and checking after each update to make sure nothing was broken), as well as the rise of platforms like Squarespace, Wix & Weebly, means that I no longer recommend Wordpress for those types of clients. Artists just want to show an…

Check out Jetpack, it can auto-update all your plugins, and has a "Rewind" feature with real-time backups so you can one-click take your site back to a previous state if anything didn't work.

Jetpack has some nice features, the comments form especially. It is, however, very bloated - especially since you'll often only use 2 or 3 features on any one site.
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