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Greenhouse Gas Emissions Rise Like a ‘Speeding Freight Train’ in 2018

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Relatively ignorant observer here. I thought things were looking pretty good on this front. How does this headline square with "The U.S. Leads All Countries In Reducing Carbon Emissions" (Oct 2017)? [1] [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/10/24/yes-the-u-s-...

Yeah, this is a new development: > United States emissions are expected to rise 2.5 percent this year after several years of declines > “We thought oil use had peaked in the U.S. and Europe 15 years ago,” he said. “The cheap gasoline prices, bigger cars and people driving more miles are boosting oil use at rates that none of us expected.”

That's the result, and we can probably see the cause here with the number of environmental rollbacks we've had. Read them, especially the ones related to oil/coal. I'm sure there will be even more to come now that Andrew Wheeler is the new head of the EPA (a former coal lobbyist): http://environment.law.harvard.edu/policy-initiative/regulat...

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The article offhand mentions that we're on track for RCP 8.5, or 8.5 W/m^2 additional heat in 2100. That should fucking terrify you. That's 4 C global temperature rise, a .75 meter sea level rise, and a doubling of ocean acidity. Page 82 of the IPCC report[1] has some fast facts- at RCP 8.5 most of the wild animals on earth will start dying out from lack of freshwater. Corals and molluscs will die out, and all ocean species will be affected. All coastal settlements will need extensive protection from higher sea level, and some will just be overwhelmed by the ocean. By 2300 they will all be overwhelmed by rising sea levels. Human food supply is greatly affected in the next 20+ years under RCP 8.5:

> All aspects of food security are potentially affected by climate change, including food production, access, use and price stability (high confidence). For wheat, rice and maize in tropical and temperate regions, climate change without adaptation is projected to negatively impact production at local temperature increases of 2°C or more above late 20th century levels, although individual locations may benefit (medium confidence). Projected impacts vary across crops and regions and adaptation scenarios, with about 10% of projections for the 2030–2049 period showing yield gains of more than 10%, and about 10% of projections showing yield losses of more than 25%, compared with the late 20th century. Global temperature increases of ~4°C or more above late 20th century levels, combined with increasing food demand, would pose large risks to food security, both globally and regionally (high confidence)

The accompanying chart shows that human food yield is expected to decrease by ~25%.

> By 2100 for RCP8.5, the combination of high temperature and humidity in some areas for parts of the year is expected to compromise common human activities, including growing food and working outdoors (high confidence).

What the report doesn't talk about is that by 2200, global temperature rise would be 6 C. 8 C by 2300. Those are both apocalyptic. The earth has only been that hot once before[2], and the warming period occurred over 20,000 years, caused by CO2 being released 20 times more slowly than we add it. Unlike the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum, species would not be able to adapt to this change. The mass die-offs would wipe out everything but the most resilient and isolated disaster species, and the Earth would enter an anoxic event. Methane and levels of other toxic gases would skyrocket and oxygen levels would suddenly plummet. Humans would need sealed shelters to survive. There would be no natural ice anywhere on earth.

Any worse than RCP 8.5 and the earth enters a runaway greenhouse. At that point the atmosphere turns into Venus, and life on Earth really would be over.

[1]: https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/SYR_AR5_FINA...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Therm...

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That is a pretty staggering amount of uncertainty. The US for example looks like it could be anywhere from 0.5% to 4.5%. That is something I would like to know with more certainty before undertaking any major public policies. From a simple triage standpoint it would seem that focusing on developing economies would hold the most promise. China and India are the likely leaders and given the population and current state…

From a simple standpoint massive multigigaton reductions are needed in all sectors and countries.

Which was true 10 years ago, 5 years ago, and remains true now with little change. Fracking has been pretty much the biggest net reduction in carbon (nat gas has half the emissions of coal). So far solar, wind, etc has made little dent.

This isn’t a political issue and politicizing it by claiming sudden urgency is an error - merely changing leadership won’t matter. Major changes are needed yesterday, and so far neither party in the US has ever proposed anything resembling the scale of change needed.

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What does everyone think about an open source project to find and eliminate all personal nonrenewable carbon emissions? Something like a spreadsheet across all features that can be optimized, possibly with machine learning. For example:

* Best/cheapest/easiest rooftop solar parts and suppliers

* Best/cheapest/easiest electric/hybrid cars

* Most practical home greenhouse and hydroponic kits (for growing all non-grain fruits and vegetables at home)

* Most sustainable and local sources of free-range and grass-fed meat and dairy products

* Most feasible carpool/ride sharing services

* Most feasible group living arrangements

Etc etc etc (I'm sure I'm forgetting a few). I know that all of these services exist in various forms, but we need a plan yesterday that people can just jump onboard with. I have friends installing amortized solar panels paid for by the installer, others with backyard chicken coops, some with hybrid and electric vehicles, and so on.

Things are changing but not nearly at the speed they could be if we made this all more accessible. I used to be blocked by lack of income, now it's lack of time. For most people it's probably lack of information and willpower. None of these are technology reasons. Which suggests to me that these are logistical problems that we could finally solve relatively quickly.

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It seems to me we are truly and globally fucked: 1. There were just massive protests and riots in France (a relatively ecologically-aware country) due to an increase in the diesel tax of about 8 cents a liter meant to help wean the country off carbon. As a result of the riots, the tax was cancelled. 2. Current US administration is going 180 degrees in the other direction, i.e. doing everything it can to support coal.…

> 2. Current US administration is going 180 degrees in the other direction, i.e. doing everything it can to support coal.

And apparently failing miserably in this effort:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/17/epa-cheers-...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, that doesn't necessarily provide fair statistics. Lets use this contrived example with made up numbers where the US has a population of 500 million and China 1 billion. US per capita: 1000 tons of CO2 per year China per capita: 1000 tons of CO2 per year. Looks like China is twice as good. But if you break out population statistics and 500 million of them live in mud huts and produce almost no CO2, then the other…

How much of China's CO2 is emitted to produce things for the US to consume?

Exactly, China emissions are also the result of European and American companies producing products in China for all the world.

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It seems to me we are truly and globally fucked: 1. There were just massive protests and riots in France (a relatively ecologically-aware country) due to an increase in the diesel tax of about 8 cents a liter meant to help wean the country off carbon. As a result of the riots, the tax was cancelled. 2. Current US administration is going 180 degrees in the other direction, i.e. doing everything it can to support coal.…

The protests in france are a little more nuanced than a simple reaction to a new gas tax. They are in the context of a larger budget debate. There is an air in all western countries that the highest earners aren't being treated fairly. New policies that favor the rich have become a norm. The people of france are rebelling against that trend, as they have done dozens of times in France's past.

The graph in this story is the heart of the matter. Look at who benefits most from the latest changes to France's budget. The disposable incomes of the vast magority of people are unchanged (+/- 1%) with a massive benefit to the very wealthy. In that context, fuel taxes become a far bigger deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46437904

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, that doesn't necessarily provide fair statistics. Lets use this contrived example with made up numbers where the US has a population of 500 million and China 1 billion. US per capita: 1000 tons of CO2 per year China per capita: 1000 tons of CO2 per year. Looks like China is twice as good. But if you break out population statistics and 500 million of them live in mud huts and produce almost no CO2, then the other…

How much of China's CO2 is emitted to produce things for the US to consume?

China's GDP is 13.5 trillion nominal USD and their annual trade deficit with the US (their largest export) is 335 billion USD. So not much.
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