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Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by trentlott » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:51 AM UTC

CryoLogic wrote: post #12

legostormtroopr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. > Your search - site:trycosmo.com peer review - did not match any documents Sounds promising. Untested sleep drugs, sign me up!

It's actually just melatonin, L-theanine and magnesium in one pill. So nothing sketchy but also not anything new or interesting. Just a combo pill like most other supplements on the market.

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To address your first sentence, the difference between Cosmo and other sleep aids is that, unlike Benadryl, it promotes natural deep REM without that 'grogginess' in the morning.

You don't get automatic refills from Big Box supplements. You can easily forget about it and let the charge ride on your card because it's just $30/mo.

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Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by mathrawka » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:52 AM UTC

amluto wrote: post #26

legostormtroopr wrote: post #15

The article quotes a doctor speaking about nursing care. This is as accurate as asking an automotive engineer about automobile repair. Same field, different skill sets. Nurses are trained to identify trends across many (sometimes too many) patients. Sure its inconvenient if a nurse monitors your blood pressure or oxygen levels every 2 hours after surgery, especially when you are sleeping, and especially if you recove…

> Same with audio on machines, that constant beep is annoying to you, but it means the machines are operating and you are getting your prescribed fluids - silence on a night ward is a sign something is wrong, and quickly precedes an emergency alarm. Sure, if there is one source of beeps, then no beeps would be conspicuous, but when there are many things all beeping, having one of them stop beeping may not be so obvio…

The nurse desk is a SPoF. If something goes wrong with that area, then how can you tell each monitoring machine is working?

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by pascalxus » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:52 AM UTC

I would imagine patients in the hospital have much bigger problems than how much sleep they're getting. They'll probably be awake all night anyways worrying about their over-billed hospital bill and how their insurance company is going to get out of paying for it.

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by ttemp_throwaw » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:55 AM UTC

quwert95 wrote: post #9

I felt the question and answer to be a little flippant, which is fine, but hear this: Sometimes there are reasons, very genuine reasons. I've been recovering from a recent stay. I, too, was interrupted frequently - every 45 minutes in fact. After a few nods off and being woken up by a knock at the door repeatedly I asked 'why' and the staff gently explained that me sleeping for too long would be a bad idea for a few…

Tangentional, but why recent head trauma shouldn't be allowed to sleep?

I had a very severe head impact couple of years back, and while I was fuzzy at the time of impact, few hours before I go to bed, it was not until the day after when, my internal functions went half way south. I am not certain if the weakening of some of my external senses immediately happened or not.

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by grooling » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:57 AM UTC

I've always slept very well in hospitals.

Source: home, Brussels Belgium

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by NegativeLatency » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:58 AM UTC

mathrawka wrote: post #32

amluto wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same with audio on machines, that constant beep is annoying to you, but it means the machines are operating and you are getting your prescribed fluids - silence on a night ward is a sign something is wrong, and quickly precedes an emergency alarm. Sure, if there is one source of beeps, then no beeps would be conspicuous, but when there are many things all beeping, having one of them stop beeping may not be so obvio…

The nurse desk is a SPoF. If something goes wrong with that area, then how can you tell each monitoring machine is working?

Failover to beeps?

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by Zhenya » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:58 AM UTC

yellowbuilding wrote: post #2

I just showed this to my mother, a nurse. She laughed and said “it’s pretty stupid, but they would rather fix it with a pill if that’s an option”.

Can you please elaborate on "it's stupid...?"

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by ajmurmann » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 5:59 AM UTC

amluto wrote: post #26

legostormtroopr wrote: post #15

The article quotes a doctor speaking about nursing care. This is as accurate as asking an automotive engineer about automobile repair. Same field, different skill sets. Nurses are trained to identify trends across many (sometimes too many) patients. Sure its inconvenient if a nurse monitors your blood pressure or oxygen levels every 2 hours after surgery, especially when you are sleeping, and especially if you recove…

> Same with audio on machines, that constant beep is annoying to you, but it means the machines are operating and you are getting your prescribed fluids - silence on a night ward is a sign something is wrong, and quickly precedes an emergency alarm. Sure, if there is one source of beeps, then no beeps would be conspicuous, but when there are many things all beeping, having one of them stop beeping may not be so obvio…

To me the beeping also seemed like a quality backwards solution where much better, seemingly obvious solutions exist. Reality is probably much more complicated though. In a solution like you described and I had in my head we'd need a agreed upon protocol between IV drip and monitoring device. Probably the same standard should be used by other, similar devices. If that doesn't happen we get vendor lock in. In addition we are taking about medical devices so everything has to be fool proof, audited, double checked and certified. So what might be cheap in a consumer device now probably made the IV drip an order of magnitude more expensive. That is, if we agreed on a protocol in the first place.

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by amluto » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 6:02 AM UTC

mathrawka wrote: post #32

amluto wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same with audio on machines, that constant beep is annoying to you, but it means the machines are operating and you are getting your prescribed fluids - silence on a night ward is a sign something is wrong, and quickly precedes an emergency alarm. Sure, if there is one source of beeps, then no beeps would be conspicuous, but when there are many things all beeping, having one of them stop beeping may not be so obvio…

The nurse desk is a SPoF. If something goes wrong with that area, then how can you tell each monitoring machine is working?

The nurse desk is a desk. If the desk literally fails, you have serious issues, and your average multiple person desk is well enough engineered that there isn’t a single piece that can fail and take out the entire desk. But there are generally multiple nurses at the nurse desk, and there are often multiple desks, too. Also, you could hook the monitoring system up to the PA system.

edit: when I say hooking it to the PA system, I mean that, if no one acknowledges the light or computer message or whatever, then an announcement could play after a set delay.

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by danielfoster » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 6:05 AM UTC

trentlott wrote: post #31

CryoLogic wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually just melatonin, L-theanine and magnesium in one pill. So nothing sketchy but also not anything new or interesting. Just a combo pill like most other supplements on the market.

Well, first off there's an app . You'll agree that is a very important and useful benefit. You can Gravitate with new friends, Cosmo your SleepMeme with other Cosmonauts, and share your sleep successes with your non-Cosmonaut Earthling contact list! To address your first sentence, the difference between Cosmo and other sleep aids is that, unlike Benadryl, it promotes natural deep REM without that 'grogginess' in the…

It's non-subscription-- you choose when to refill it unless you want to. And there isn't an app.

Here is some more information on anti-histamines and sleep: https://www.bcm.edu/news/sleep-disorders/experts-warn-agains...