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The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I looked at the "Google" page ( https://www.thecreepyline.com/programs/google-v2 ) and noticed it doesn't mention a few kind of important things. (1) You can pause activity collection at https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols (2) You can delete activity here https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Also, does anyone know if Facebook offers interfaces like these?

Would this unlearn the Google's ML models from my data?

I am going to guess no.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a fair question. I've got a follow-up for you: do people actually watch other people express diverse opinions or are they happy with just impeaching the source, slandering the messenger, and moving on? It seems everywhere I go online I get other people telling me how I should or shouldn't consume media content based on the producer's political opinions. I both upvoted the video link and your comment. I like pe…

The verge article is detailed and pretty convincing that I don't need to bother with this video. This isn't impeaching the source because of their political opinions, it's impeaching the content because of its political opinions. > Taylor and the film’s writer Peter Schweizer say that they’re aware of issues affecting non-conservatives and simply wanted to focus on a single thread of the conversation. But that focus…

I honestly think you're missing the forest for the trees.

It doesn't matter the actual reason massive, subtle opinion changes occur. Maybe it's the Russians. Maybe it's a liberal cabal. Maybe, as I suspect, most of SV doesn't know what the hell they're doing and are just faking it the best they can while they make bank. There is some effect occurring. Most reasonable commentators agree on that.

Once that's settled, then there are a bunch of follow-on questions: how large is it? How do we measure it? And so forth.

This video, assuming the worst slander you have is true, is an example of an answer to the following question: how are the existing political power structures perceiving this new effect?

That, in my mind, is as interesting as any of the rest of it. More so, actually, since the perception of damage is a much bigger thing in most cases than the damage itself.

This is going to get political, and in a hurry. I don't care which bunch of political assholes are carrying the flag towards fixing it, but I want to know how they perceive the problems involved and what they might do to fix things if given the chance. This is too important to choose up teams and play the usual stupid partisan games.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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post #15

It is good that Amazon funded this documentary.

Source?

Based on this link [1] posted elsewhere in this thread, if it is true that Amazon funded this, that has the potential to backfire spectacularly.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/19/17878332/creepy-line-anti...

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The verge article is detailed and pretty convincing that I don't need to bother with this video. This isn't impeaching the source because of their political opinions, it's impeaching the content because of its political opinions. > Taylor and the film’s writer Peter Schweizer say that they’re aware of issues affecting non-conservatives and simply wanted to focus on a single thread of the conversation. But that focus…

I honestly think you're missing the forest for the trees. It doesn't matter the actual reason massive, subtle opinion changes occur. Maybe it's the Russians. Maybe it's a liberal cabal. Maybe, as I suspect, most of SV doesn't know what the hell they're doing and are just faking it the best they can while they make bank. There is some effect occurring. Most reasonable commentators agree on that. Once that's settled, t…

Sorry, I don't buy it. If you (or the authors of this piece) want to have a conversation about data harvesting, do that. Subtly entwining that with conservative conspiracy theories isn't just an innocuous side thread of the conversation. This is clearly an attempt to hijack the conversation about data harvesting to amplify their totally unrelated message about supposed suppression of conservative speech.

This is a case of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' going horribly wrong.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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post #15

It is good that Amazon funded this documentary.

Yeah, this is actually quite funny. You can also watch it on iTunes. Are Amazon and Apple exceptions with respect to selling your information? (I'm genuinely asking)

Apple’s whole stance is to protect your data. They don’t sell it.

Don’t know about Amazon but I think they use it for their own services only as they’re not advertising company. ---- EDIT: Brain fart, ignore

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

#37

I looked at the "Google" page ( https://www.thecreepyline.com/programs/google-v2 ) and noticed it doesn't mention a few kind of important things. (1) You can pause activity collection at https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols (2) You can delete activity here https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Also, does anyone know if Facebook offers interfaces like these?

Would this unlearn the Google's ML models from my data?

no.

i would argue it’s not even your data, but that’s for another time.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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I looked at the "Google" page ( https://www.thecreepyline.com/programs/google-v2 ) and noticed it doesn't mention a few kind of important things. (1) You can pause activity collection at https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols (2) You can delete activity here https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Also, does anyone know if Facebook offers interfaces like these?

When a company gets so big that it doesn’t have to listen to customer complaint, it’s time to go. I had a great car repair shop with awesome care for customer. Gave you special care and nice deals. Well, because of great reviews they grew very much, rebuilt the shop and hired a lot of staff. The culture that made them successful was forgotten, the CEO had no insight in the employees so the experience as a customer de…

That's very true. In the early years we all loved Google. Good and fast searches, spartan interface, do no evil mantra... So different from AOL and Yahoo. Then, with time, it became a monster that you practically can't get away from even if you want.

Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation

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post #34

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I don't think labeling it as "hatred" helps in any way. It's just an honest assessment of several of their business strategies, dark patterns and grey ways of doing things that many people find unacceptable. It has nothing to do with alt-right, the Jews and whatever else you may mean.
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