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Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#31

Post by Justin_K »

BoorishBears wrote: post #10
ravenstine wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why even bother being on Twitter? I keep hearing developers encouraging each other to be active on Twitter, but who gives an actual fuck what goes on with Twitter? All it seems to do is generate drama on every front. Do developers(or anyone) really need to be on there? If I were the owner, I would have just closed my Twitter account in the face of demanding freeloaders.

I respect their right to be on Twitter in peace, but yeah I'd probably block users before I'd list Twitter complainers as a reason how I'm closing the lock on a popular library and throwing away the key instead of just walking away yourself... because that's definitely one way to get a lot of people (imo rightfully) complaining about what you did. Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over t…

You write as if he's obligated to continue to work for free...

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#32

Post by wpietri »

BoorishBears wrote: post #4

At the risk of sounding uncaring or such... Ok? I mean I don't get why the owner didn't try to find someone else to graciously take the reins without a fork (maybe they tried and couldn't find anyone?), but I don't get the dramatic post and very "taking my ball and going home" tone I'm getting. Again, maybe it's just me looking to wrongly but when 4 out of 6 reasons are referring to yourself and not the project... Th…

> I don't get why [...] I find it hard to imagine [...]

Perhaps consider that your failure to understand how this person feels the way they do is just that: your failure.

It makes sense to me, though. I've burnt out before, and I know what that feels like. Open-source work can feel entirely thankless, and rarely pays the bills. It's very easy to get sucked into working hard to serve others while getting little in return.

He spent 7 years giving people a free gift. People should be grateful. But instead, as you so clearly demonstrate, people can easily be clueless and entitled, demanding more work and criticizing people they have no standing to criticize.

If you really think somebody should maintain this library, it's right there. Fork it and show us how a project really should be run. And if you won't, maybe reflect on why you think he's obligated to labor for free to live up to your standards when you won't live up to your own.

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#33

Post by akerl_ »

BoorishBears wrote: post #10
ravenstine wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why even bother being on Twitter? I keep hearing developers encouraging each other to be active on Twitter, but who gives an actual fuck what goes on with Twitter? All it seems to do is generate drama on every front. Do developers(or anyone) really need to be on there? If I were the owner, I would have just closed my Twitter account in the face of demanding freeloaders.

I respect their right to be on Twitter in peace, but yeah I'd probably block users before I'd list Twitter complainers as a reason how I'm closing the lock on a popular library and throwing away the key instead of just walking away yourself... because that's definitely one way to get a lot of people (imo rightfully) complaining about what you did. Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over t…

The creator made their work available for free. Sorry you don’t enjoy that they decided to stop doing that, for this project, in a way you don’t find agreeable.

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#34

Post by dasyatidprime »

BoorishBears wrote: post #10
ravenstine wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why even bother being on Twitter? I keep hearing developers encouraging each other to be active on Twitter, but who gives an actual fuck what goes on with Twitter? All it seems to do is generate drama on every front. Do developers(or anyone) really need to be on there? If I were the owner, I would have just closed my Twitter account in the face of demanding freeloaders.

I respect their right to be on Twitter in peace, but yeah I'd probably block users before I'd list Twitter complainers as a reason how I'm closing the lock on a popular library and throwing away the key instead of just walking away yourself... because that's definitely one way to get a lot of people (imo rightfully) complaining about what you did. Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over t…

Block only works after you know which users. At a certain scale it stops being “particular people get a grudge against you” and becomes “they're acting this way out of being in a particular cultural milieu and set of expectations”, and trying to block that is like trying to block the tide one water droplet at a time.

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#35

Post by wpietri »

Has anybody written a guide on how to survive having a successful open source project?

I happened to have something [1] get a little usage recently and it took effort not to get sucked in. There were people with questions and needs! And I like helping people! But I also have a life to lead, so I set myself some clear boundaries and worked to consciously accepted that the project wouldn't operate at the standards I'd have for myself if it were my job.

It occurred to me that when I got started in the industry I didn't have the boundary-setting skills I do now, and that I easily could have worked to hard and too long, burning myself out, especially if my project were as popular as this was. It'd be nice to have a guide from OS project leads on ways to keep the project sustainable over the long term.

[1] https://github.com/wpietri/sucks

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#36

Post by fouc »

rolleiflex wrote: post #19

> I've grown tired of continuously defending my inactivity and decisions against trolls on Twitter, the issue tracker, and elsewhere. It's draining and I don't have the patience or energy to deal with it any longer. These same people expect to impose their short-sighted and non-generalized values and goals on a project for which they have contributed nothing and are not willing to maintain. The sense of entitlement f…

Don't feel bad about ignoring stupid emails. Your skin will become thicker.

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#37

Post by jusob »

mr_puzzled wrote: post #11

Somewhat related : are there any guides/tutorials about how to do secure file uploads in webapps and how to avoid obvious security pitfalls? Reading the Django docs https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.1/topics/security/#user-... , specifically, >Django’s media upload handling poses some vulnerabilities when that media is served in ways that do not follow security best practices. Specifically, an HTML file can be uplo…

On your server, send "X-Content-Type: nosniff" and make sure the right Content-Type is returned by the server. This will prevent browsers to load an image file (Content-Type: image/png) as anything else than an image.

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#38

Post by BoorishBears »

justin66 wrote: post #23
BoorishBears wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect their right to be on Twitter in peace, but yeah I'd probably block users before I'd list Twitter complainers as a reason how I'm closing the lock on a popular library and throwing away the key instead of just walking away yourself... because that's definitely one way to get a lot of people (imo rightfully) complaining about what you did. Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over t…

> Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over toxicity is fine, doing it like this? Not so great. Credibility, yeah. Sure, this guy gave away his work for seven years but can we trust him to work for free in the future?

Exactly.

Because every day millions of people give away their work.

I give away my work. I've dealt with rude people using software I made since I was pretty much a kid, those people didn't know who their vitriol was directed at.

What makes this guy so special that to spite the vitriolic subset of all users he gets to be the one who throws a wrench in a project?

I said this in a comment below:

You think the kind of person who would insult a library maintainer on Twitter is going to read his Github issue?

"Oh it stopped getting updates" "Good, now my code won't break anymore!" "Security vulnerabilities in libraries? What?"

He's literally only spiting the very people who make projects like this worthwhile, the kinds of people who would want to submit PRs, make useful issues, and people with a genuine interest in the project, exactly what he's saying he lost.

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#39

Post by BoorishBears »

Justin_K wrote: post #31
BoorishBears wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect their right to be on Twitter in peace, but yeah I'd probably block users before I'd list Twitter complainers as a reason how I'm closing the lock on a popular library and throwing away the key instead of just walking away yourself... because that's definitely one way to get a lot of people (imo rightfully) complaining about what you did. Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over t…

You write as if he's obligated to continue to work for free...

Explain how me saying "he should walk away without archiving the project" equates to he should continue to work for free?

Re: Fine Uploader is shutting down

#40

Post by [deleted] »

akerl_ wrote: post #33
BoorishBears wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect their right to be on Twitter in peace, but yeah I'd probably block users before I'd list Twitter complainers as a reason how I'm closing the lock on a popular library and throwing away the key instead of just walking away yourself... because that's definitely one way to get a lot of people (imo rightfully) complaining about what you did. Also kind of kills your credibility in the future. Walking away over t…

The creator made their work available for free. Sorry you don’t enjoy that they decided to stop doing that, for this project, in a way you don’t find agreeable.

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