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A Mystery Font That Took Over New York

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> “There’s an unmistakable energy in all the designs that [Roger Excoffon] does,” said Tobias Frere-Jones, a Brooklyn-based typeface designer. “They project their personality so clearly. And it’s very obviously not Helvetica or not Times or any other generic thing that might be on the awning next door.” Excoffon’s most popular typeface is probably Mistral, which was modeled after his own handwriting. Both this passag…

Funny! Reminds me of the old Honest Ed's signage here in Toronto (since shut down). https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/04/01/8-of-honest-eds-... https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/10/19/iconic-honest-eds-sig...

Those "Honest Ed" signs are beautiful, and remind me of the hand-painted signs I'd still see in Brooklyn in the late 60s and early 70s (probably nearing the end of the era for hand-painted signs)

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We don’t have a legal way. FTFY

We have a technical method to do so, but the site has not been created, that I know of. For example: * A domain name like ipfs://nytimesmirror.com that mirrors nytimes articles (at the same relative URLs) * Some kind of crowdsourced process for content curation. I'm aware that it's not legal, but I wouldn't be against it. Content piracy has been a catalyst for change. I simultaneously would be willing to pay nytimes…

Use of an IPFS DNSlink TXT record would make it not decentralized.

Re: A Mystery Font That Took Over New York

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Funny! Reminds me of the old Honest Ed's signage here in Toronto (since shut down). https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/04/01/8-of-honest-eds-... https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/10/19/iconic-honest-eds-sig...

Those "Honest Ed" signs are beautiful, and remind me of the hand-painted signs I'd still see in Brooklyn in the late 60s and early 70s (probably nearing the end of the era for hand-painted signs)

Oh that place was the thing of a bygone era, undoubtedly.

Some of those signs are probably from back then, but they retained the style right up until they closed in 2016.

The place was a godsend when I was younger—you could get hygiene products and some food items for dirt cheap.

And the sight from the street was even more wild than those hand-painted signs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_Ed%27s

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Those "Honest Ed" signs are beautiful, and remind me of the hand-painted signs I'd still see in Brooklyn in the late 60s and early 70s (probably nearing the end of the era for hand-painted signs)

Oh that place was the thing of a bygone era, undoubtedly. Some of those signs are probably from back then, but they retained the style right up until they closed in 2016. The place was a godsend when I was younger—you could get hygiene products and some food items for dirt cheap. And the sight from the street was even more wild than those hand-painted signs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_Ed%27s

Wow! The Mohel and Rabbi who performed Honest Ed's bris was Al Jolson's father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Mirvish

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Almost all the shops in the sign photos are Asian. Because the font simulates brush strokes, it adds an Asian element, since Western writing doesn't use brush strokes. Brushes may be used in painting letters onto a sign, but only as a tool to fill an area, whereby brush marks are regarded as artifacts to be avoided. The font doesn't look quirky to someone whose native writing system's canonical form is rooted brush s…

>Look at the C in Choc; it starts with a little right tick and then reverses. The roman letter C doesn't have anything like that;

An initial swash [or horizontal serif] isn't unheard of for capital C in cursive Roman typefaces/scripts.

Other than that, I think you're spot on.

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> “There’s an unmistakable energy in all the designs that [Roger Excoffon] does,” said Tobias Frere-Jones, a Brooklyn-based typeface designer. “They project their personality so clearly. And it’s very obviously not Helvetica or not Times or any other generic thing that might be on the awning next door.” Excoffon’s most popular typeface is probably Mistral, which was modeled after his own handwriting. Both this passag…

“There’s an unmistakable energy in all the designs that [Roger Excoffon] does” This type of analysis bugs me. Yes, with hindsight you can say it has "energy". Give this font in a controlled experiment with many "energetic" fonts to choose from and you'd not say the same thing. There is probably a word for this type of bias - perhaps confirmation bias? There is nothing more to read into this. When a font gets popular…

I took unmistakable as meaning that you can recognize an Excoffon font. Which I don't find so strange a claim - they're not exactly minimalist sans fonts, so a lot of personal character will sneak in, consciously or not.

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> “There’s an unmistakable energy in all the designs that [Roger Excoffon] does,” said Tobias Frere-Jones, a Brooklyn-based typeface designer. “They project their personality so clearly. And it’s very obviously not Helvetica or not Times or any other generic thing that might be on the awning next door.” Excoffon’s most popular typeface is probably Mistral, which was modeled after his own handwriting. Both this passag…

Funny! Reminds me of the old Honest Ed's signage here in Toronto (since shut down). https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/04/01/8-of-honest-eds-... https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/10/19/iconic-honest-eds-sig...

Gorgeous, the connection is pretty clear, yeah! Makes me wonder if the handwritten signs from the last century couldn't be considered one of those kind of undocumented, almost subconscious arts "traditions". Kind of like how all kebab places seem to follow the exact same horrible aesthetic without it being a coordinated effort.

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Funny! Reminds me of the old Honest Ed's signage here in Toronto (since shut down). https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/04/01/8-of-honest-eds-... https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/10/19/iconic-honest-eds-sig...

Gorgeous, the connection is pretty clear, yeah! Makes me wonder if the handwritten signs from the last century couldn't be considered one of those kind of undocumented, almost subconscious arts "traditions". Kind of like how all kebab places seem to follow the exact same horrible aesthetic without it being a coordinated effort.

Oh I’m sure you’re into something. I wouldn’t be surprised if it has a name already, but my design knowledge isn’t that extensive.

Or maybe it just gets lumped under “folk art”.

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Almost all the shops in the sign photos are Asian. Because the font simulates brush strokes, it adds an Asian element, since Western writing doesn't use brush strokes. Brushes may be used in painting letters onto a sign, but only as a tool to fill an area, whereby brush marks are regarded as artifacts to be avoided. The font doesn't look quirky to someone whose native writing system's canonical form is rooted brush s…

Agreed, it’s pretty ridiculous to think otherwise.

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Funny! Reminds me of the old Honest Ed's signage here in Toronto (since shut down). https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/04/01/8-of-honest-eds-... https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/10/19/iconic-honest-eds-sig...

Gorgeous, the connection is pretty clear, yeah! Makes me wonder if the handwritten signs from the last century couldn't be considered one of those kind of undocumented, almost subconscious arts "traditions". Kind of like how all kebab places seem to follow the exact same horrible aesthetic without it being a coordinated effort.

Oh there is plenty of documentation on these sorts of things, in the form of tradecraft manuals. The first example that comes to mind is the Speedball lettering manuals (https://www.printmag.com/design-inspiration/the-speedball-te...) but there’s other ones out there that have gone through many printings.
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