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A Look Inside the Tactics of Definers, Facebook’s Attack Dog

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>"While senators are no strangers to opposition research — they use it all the time against political rivals — they take a dimmer view when it used against them outside of election season."

Why? And how long is "election season" these days? It seems to be almost always.

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Just a polite reminder that using "butthurt" to mean "resentful"or "angry" paints a picture that is often homophobic and nearly always making light of rape. In my opinion, we should try not to normalize its use any further.

While I agree with your sentiment, I don't know if butthurt has anything to do with homophobia. Butt is not same as butthole.

Yeah, I dont see butthurt as being any different than "pain in the ass", and I've never heard "pain in the ads" referred to as homophobic.

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“Instead of learning from Google about being transpernt on how they use user data” I am curious evidences of this. Or are you comparing objectively with the two relative to recent events? Then sure. FB’s been very sketchy all this time with little knowing until the whole election interference and Cambridge scandal went public and viral did people pay attention. But thanks for the takeaways.

Not sure if I understand you here. Google, for all the negative press and bashing they are getting lately, has not hidden what they collect, how they collect. They also do not sell user data (that's not their business model). Sure, they have had their share of issues, but I don't think they are systematic or intentional. They are happy if you want to take your data and go to someone else - they released takeaway tool…

> Sure, they have had their share of issues, but I don't think they are systematic or intentional.

Or Google is just better at staying out of the spotlight:

> Disclosure will likely result “in us coming into the spotlight alongside or even instead of Facebook despite having stayed under the radar throughout the Cambridge Analytica scandal”, Google policy and legal officials wrote in a memo obtained by the Journal. It “almost guarantees Sundar will testify before Congress”, the memo said, referring to the company’s CEO, Sundar Pichai. The disclosure would also invite “immediate regulatory interest”.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/08/google-pl...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentiveness

There are zero citations in that entry at this time. It’s essentially an op-ed.

I do not mean to promote the validity of Freudian psychology, I'm pointing out that the term "butthurt" is part of a universal human "thing" that has been going on and acknowledged for hundreds (if not thousands) of years. I.e. "Asshole", "blow it out your ass", "stick it in your ass", "pound sand up your ass", "shit head", etc...

I had never previously made a connection between that term and anal rape and frankly I'm irritated that ForrestN put the idea in my head.

Now, I know what it's like when you have a pet peeve about public discourse. For me, I wish people didn't use the term "cakewalk" or phrase "piece of cake", even though they do it innocently, because I once went and looked it up and it's fucking horrible. (If you go look it up, brace yourself, it's really ugly. It has to do with American slavery. You've been warned.)

I have this idea, I call it "The Grey File". It's like an idea for a sci-fi story. In the near future history will be controlled and whitewashed. All of the crazy bad stuff we used to do is almost entirely forgotten, but records are kept in a kind of museum called the Grey File. It's built in the middle of the desert, or on Antarctica, or somewhere inaccessible, and it's staffed by inmates: perverts who get off on corrupting innocence. It's kind of a prison for them.

The thing is, I can't tell if this idea is dystopian or utopian.

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america destroying its own tech companies. these ppl really are 'enemy of the ppl'.

Jeong and Swisher are the captains of the anti-tech crusade at the Times. Guess the clicks for those Trump articles are drying up.

Swisher holding some of the richest people in the world to account for their impact on billions of people isn't anti-tech. But it is telling that "pro-tech" is being conflated here with "pro-Silicon Valley capitalism."

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Key takeaways: 1. Before Ms. Sandberg’s Senate testimony, Facebook lobbyists pushed lawmakers to refrain from questioning her about privacy, censorship and other issues, and to stick to election interference. The committee’s chairman, Senator Richard Burr, Republican of North Carolina, was swayed and warned members to stick to the hearing’s planned topic, The Times reported Wednesday. 2. Facebook had also lobbied for…

Just a polite reminder that using "butthurt" to mean "resentful"or "angry" paints a picture that is often homophobic and nearly always making light of rape. In my opinion, we should try not to normalize its use any further.

I tend to agree here. I can recall it being referenced in flame wars on various forums nearly 20 years ago followed by faggot and absolutely referencing anal rape. Thinking about the personalities that used the term and yeah, they absolutely meant it as such. I don't care what knowyourmeme or stackexchange has to say on the matter because they clearly don't speak to my experience with the intent of those that used the term.

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From the HN Guidelines:

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

Can we please stop with the NYT assassination pieces on Facebook? This piece is barely tangentially related to technology at all, and serves no purpose other than to allow more virtue signalling and hearsay arguments and personal opinions on right and wrong.

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Instead of learning from Google about being transpernt on how they use user data” I am curious evidences of this. Or are you comparing objectively with the two relative to recent events? Then sure. FB’s been very sketchy all this time with little knowing until the whole election interference and Cambridge scandal went public and viral did people pay attention. But thanks for the takeaways.

Not sure if I understand you here. Google, for all the negative press and bashing they are getting lately, has not hidden what they collect, how they collect. They also do not sell user data (that's not their business model). Sure, they have had their share of issues, but I don't think they are systematic or intentional. They are happy if you want to take your data and go to someone else - they released takeaway tool…

> Google, for all the negative press and bashing they are getting lately, has not hidden what they collect, how they collect.

I'm curious what led to you to this conclusion and how you define "hide." What about how they were tracking location information even after you turned off location history??

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Key takeaways: 1. Before Ms. Sandberg’s Senate testimony, Facebook lobbyists pushed lawmakers to refrain from questioning her about privacy, censorship and other issues, and to stick to election interference. The committee’s chairman, Senator Richard Burr, Republican of North Carolina, was swayed and warned members to stick to the hearing’s planned topic, The Times reported Wednesday. 2. Facebook had also lobbied for…

The issue is that without violating your privacy, Facebook really doesn't have a revenue model.
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