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Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by dawhizkid »

jseliger wrote: post #11

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Has Facebook seen an actual fall in monthly, weekly, or daily active users? To me, this story reads a lot like a media narrative that has very little to do with users's actual lives. And I've been reading variations on "Why Facebook sucks" and "Why Facebook is doomed" for a very long time. It's like the "Why this is the year of Linux on the desktop," but for med…

I think what you'll see is a similar divergence to what we now see with obesity rates: uneducated/low income people experience higher rates of obesity than more educated/higher income e.g. low income or less educated people will remain oblivious and continue using FB normally while higher income or more educated people might start using FB less and less.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by astrange »

jseliger wrote: post #11

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Has Facebook seen an actual fall in monthly, weekly, or daily active users? To me, this story reads a lot like a media narrative that has very little to do with users's actual lives. And I've been reading variations on "Why Facebook sucks" and "Why Facebook is doomed" for a very long time. It's like the "Why this is the year of Linux on the desktop," but for med…

> Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative?

Yes, the part where Facebook is paying people to spread anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and supporting SESTA.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by [deleted] »

panarky wrote: post #19

Ms. Sandberg has overseen an aggressive lobbying campaign to combat Facebook’s critics, shift public anger toward rival companies and ward off damaging regulation. Facebook employed a Republican opposition-research firm to discredit activist protesters, in part by linking them to the liberal financier George Soros. It also tapped its business relationships, persuading a Jewish civil rights group to cast some criticis…

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Post by astrange »

ilovecaching wrote: post #24

To me the negative press cycle involving Facebook and other advertising companies is more about the hidden war between the new age digital advertisers, and the former rulers of ads: the conventional news outlets. The news outlets will jump on any chance they can get to kill their competitors just like any other company. Without Facebook, they could become the sole source of news again, and reap the lost ad revenue th…

The purpose of propaganda is to make you feel that the smart choice is to not trust anything you hear.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by thanatropism »

TrevorAustin wrote: post #29
jseliger wrote: post #11

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Has Facebook seen an actual fall in monthly, weekly, or daily active users? To me, this story reads a lot like a media narrative that has very little to do with users's actual lives. And I've been reading variations on "Why Facebook sucks" and "Why Facebook is doomed" for a very long time. It's like the "Why this is the year of Linux on the desktop," but for med…

More than a quarter of Americans, and half of young people, report having deleted the flagship Facebook app from their phones in the wake of these scandals. ( https://www.recode.net/2018/9/5/17824116/delete-facebook-mar... ) The losses are offset in their topline numbers by growth in the developing world, but that's a lagging indicator, and those are much less lucrative user eyeballs. It's mitigated to the extent tho…

It's a small piece of a wider process, but Jaron Lanier is having such a global impact; probably much more than what Anglos imagine.

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Post by sehugg »

jseliger wrote: post #11

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Has Facebook seen an actual fall in monthly, weekly, or daily active users? To me, this story reads a lot like a media narrative that has very little to do with users's actual lives. And I've been reading variations on "Why Facebook sucks" and "Why Facebook is doomed" for a very long time. It's like the "Why this is the year of Linux on the desktop," but for med…

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative?

This article ends with Facebook's COO testifying before Congress, so I'm going to say yes, there was a crisis.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by [deleted] »

minimaxir wrote: post #4

Funny quote: > “We’re not going to traffic in your personal life,” Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, said in an MSNBC interview. “Privacy to us is a human right. It’s a civil liberty.” (Mr. Cook’s criticisms infuriated Mr. Zuckerberg, who later ordered his management team to use only Android phones, since the operating system has far more users than Apple’s.)

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Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by tobr »

astrange wrote: post #32
jseliger wrote: post #11

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Has Facebook seen an actual fall in monthly, weekly, or daily active users? To me, this story reads a lot like a media narrative that has very little to do with users's actual lives. And I've been reading variations on "Why Facebook sucks" and "Why Facebook is doomed" for a very long time. It's like the "Why this is the year of Linux on the desktop," but for med…

> Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Yes, the part where Facebook is paying people to spread anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and supporting SESTA.

No, you don’t understand, an actual crisis is something that affects growth.
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