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Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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What do you mean by "high minimum wage"? Federal minimum wage in the United States is still $7.25 which is not enough for someone to live on, especially in a high cost of living area. I don't understand. https://www.minimum-wage.org/federal

I recently toured for 5 months in the US on my bicycle. My average cost was $30 per day. That included sightseeing, an airline ticket every month and a bus ticket every month. I used Warm Showers and wild camping, so I rarely paid for housing. $7.25 per hour is enough to live on. You just need to work enough hours, do long commutes and be very, very disciplined in all your purchases.

Even if you live in a state with no income tax, work full-time at your minimum wage job, and live as you describe (which is homeless) your take home pay would only barely cover your $30/day budget. What happens when you get sick and have to miss a shift? Or need to see a doctor? What happens if your job is in New England where it's well below freezing at night for a significant portion of the year?

It's disingenuous to perpetuate the notion that "discipline" is all that's needed to survive on minimum wage and it's patently ridiculous to suggest that people on minimum wage ought to "wild camp" in order to make ends meet.

Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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> People often ask me what they can do to help the homeless and I always say, "Just look around you!" When someone has so little, it doesn't take much to help. You can start by not judging the homeless. This indeed where it all starts. There are so many voices telling us that these people aren't human, but deep down these rationalizations are just trying to cover the uncomfortable emotion we feel when we see a fellow…

This may work when the concentration is low. I’d estimate 15-20 homeless people on the daily walk between my front door in SOMA and the Muni Metro. Often in relatively dense tent encampments. I’d feel pretty weird giving to one and not the others on the same block. Especially since it’s probably the same people day in and day out. It’d take some serious preparation before going out the door to pack enough for everyone, and then stop every few feet to deliver it. At an even lower level than compassion fatigue, it’s logistics.

If only there were some sort of professional, centralized entity to collect some of our money and distribute it equitably.

Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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I wonder if the high minimum wage makes it harder to employ people who tend to be homeless. I ask because I see many young people homeless these days, and it isn't clear why they are homeless.

What do you mean by "high minimum wage"? Federal minimum wage in the United States is still $7.25 which is not enough for someone to live on, especially in a high cost of living area. I don't understand. https://www.minimum-wage.org/federal

"high minimum wage" probably refers to the minimum wage set by high costs cities, that is "higher" then the federal. Seattle , for example, it is $15 for certain types of employment.

Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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>You can start by not judging the homeless. Instead of flying out the gate accusing people of judging homeless, consider this: Not everywhere is like San Francisco where you have actual homeless people living in tent/tarp hovels on sidewalks in busy neighborhoods, come to downtown Indy and many of the 'homeless' people you find randomly around are absolutely not homeless and simply know they can make much easier mone…

> If there isn't a big event downtown, or it's a slow bar/restaurant night, you'll notice there's considerably fewer of them. If the weather is harsh, you'll notice there's considerably fewer of them.

You observe this and the conclusion you make is that, 'many of the 'homeless' people are absolutely not homeless and simply know they can make much easier money off of people coming/going from bars and restaurants.'

or maybe they are homeless and know that their best bet of survival is going to the places with the most people willing to help them out.

or maybe harsh weather means that they aren't capable of being out in the open exposed to the elements, and are instead hunkered down somewhere where they can at least get minimal shelter.

I think the point of the article is that your surface conclusions from simple observations are probably not entirely accurate, and more likely a false assumption made by someone who has never experience homelessness and can't possibly know the motives or circumstances of that population.

Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "high minimum wage"? Federal minimum wage in the United States is still $7.25 which is not enough for someone to live on, especially in a high cost of living area. I don't understand. https://www.minimum-wage.org/federal

Well, I'll venture into non-pc territory here, but for some reason immigrants do not seem to have the same homelessness problem, and undocumented workers can work for much less than Americans.

It may seem that way, but at least here in the UK homelessness is a huge problem in the immigrant community. It is virtually invisible though. You can get kicked out of the UK as a migrant (even from the EU) for being homeless, so keeping a low profile is essential.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/05/st-mungos-ho...

https://www.homeless.org.uk/connect/blogs/2018/jan/10/migran...

Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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>You can start by not judging the homeless. Instead of flying out the gate accusing people of judging homeless, consider this: Not everywhere is like San Francisco where you have actual homeless people living in tent/tarp hovels on sidewalks in busy neighborhoods, come to downtown Indy and many of the 'homeless' people you find randomly around are absolutely not homeless and simply know they can make much easier mone…

Holy smoke, talk about reinforcing stereotypes about Indiana

Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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> Homeless people are not going to kill you

I understand a lot of the insight this person has provided us about homelessness, but I beg to differ on this point, and I'm sure it's location dependent.

I currently live in Santa Monica, and the vast majority of the homeless here clearly either have substance abuse problems or mental illness(I'm sure it's often both at once). I've had countless instances where a homeless person will step in front of my car, blocking my way into an intersection or parking lot, and try to intimidate me by shouting obscenities. The other day, I had to tell off a homeless man who was standing at an outdoor cafe and rambling on about how "women are whores" and other wisdom in front of women and children(not that men should be exposed to that either). Yesterday I witnessed a homeless man urinating in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

When I was living in Pasadena earlier this year, I worked next to a homeless shelter. For the most part it was safe, but there were days where we were warned to be on the lookout for certain characters who were harassing people on their way to work. There was the occasional rape and the occasional stab, although it was almost always homeless-on-homeless. Down the street there was a vacant restaurant where a homeless couple sneaked in and lived for some time, until it turned into a murder/suicide and they had to put up extra fencing to prevent such incidents from happening again.

One of the biggest reasons that people drive instead of take the train in LA, besides the fact that our civic planning has a history of sucking, is the fact that the homeless make many train rides very unpleasant. I don't have enough fingers on my hands to count the number of times I witnessed homeless individuals, sometimes barely clothed, out right screaming and threatening random passengers. In my experience, this sort of thing happened at least a few times a week. It happened enough that there came times where I thought "fuck this shit" and decided to start driving to work again.

The homeless aren't viewed as dangerous for no reason. Even if they aren't technically dangerous, many of them are legitimately scary. There are places where the homeless are mostly people down on their luck or living that way by choice; I grew up in a town where the homeless are that sort of benign. But in cities like LA, the word "homeless" has an almost completely different definition.

Sorry, but I'm not about to throw out my pepper spray.

ADDENDUM: The reason I bring up relatively harmless behavior like the public urination is that when the average person sees that, they're going to think in the back of their minds that "If he's going to do that so brazenly, what else is he capable of?" Add to that the perception that the police are ineffective against the homeless, which they are, and even small misdemeanors can seem as signs of danger to the non-homeless.

Re: I Used to Be Homeless

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "high minimum wage"? Federal minimum wage in the United States is still $7.25 which is not enough for someone to live on, especially in a high cost of living area. I don't understand. https://www.minimum-wage.org/federal

I recently toured for 5 months in the US on my bicycle. My average cost was $30 per day. That included sightseeing, an airline ticket every month and a bus ticket every month. I used Warm Showers and wild camping, so I rarely paid for housing. $7.25 per hour is enough to live on. You just need to work enough hours, do long commutes and be very, very disciplined in all your purchases.

This assumes you're healthy and have no other responsibilities. A minor health problem would lead to ruin with this lifestyle, and it's just not possible if you have to care for family members.
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