What I do is keep on programming, etc., but mostly keep non-geeks as friends. I also tried the "hide your inner geek" thing, but in the end I seem to do better socially when I'm open about my interests (although I did lose a few people that I was friends with only on the base of common partying and clubbing interests). The reason is simple - being an entrepreneurial programmer is one very distinguishable feature abou…
Hmm, it's good to hear the two cents from the founder of the Feel Good Initiatives. I am a big fan of your project. I am also staying in Boston (near Beacon Hill) for the summer, and slightly off topic but not really, what are the cool stuff that hackers could do in Boston?
Ask YC: In the hack of life, is it the people or the code?
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Re: Ask YC: In the hack of life, is it the people or the code?
#32I went to San Francisco State and got my degree in film. Now I'm coding AS3 and RoR and doing UI design at a web startup. I discovered at some point after I graduated that a hobby is not the same as a passion - I like movies, but I love making cool things. I didn't have enough passion for movies to actually stick with the process of making one... nor did I love movies enough to be willing to work for other people doing insignificant tasks for free (or pizza) for three years to build a reputation... So I started going to events, meeting people, and reading everything I could about business, communication, technology, innovation, etc.
Right now, I have a great job building cool things. I come in whenever I want, I work roughly as many hours as I think I should, and then I leave. Some weeknights I go out, either with friends or my girlfriend, and weekends I try to stay away from all forms of work as much as possible. This balance works out pretty well - I feel like I'm accomplishing a lot and working towards a big goal at work, and yet I feel like I still have a social live and am, you know, "living". On Monday mornings I do not dread going into work. I feel refreshed and ready to tackle new problems.
So... your rant does sound like a Catcher in the Rye variation. It also sounds like stuff I used to write - usually completely privately, occasionally to friends - about my own life.
It's never about "code". And it's not about "people". It's about balancing the pursuit of your ambitions and the pursuit of gaining life experience. For some people, whose ambitions involve climbing mountains and/or starting a family, those two things are one in the same. For most of us, they're not. So you have to separate yourself from work so you can keep in touch with life.
And then, if your job does not fit with your ambitions, do it well enough not to get fired :)
If you're driven enough to apply to YC, and you were good enough to qualify for an interview, you've got something going. Don't give up on your ambitions just because you think other people are having more fun than you.
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#33dont try to hide your inner geek. be happy in who you are.
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#34Well that just inspired me to finally register on this site after just lurking for six months. I went to San Francisco State and got my degree in film. Now I'm coding AS3 and RoR and doing UI design at a web startup. I discovered at some point after I graduated that a hobby is not the same as a passion - I like movies, but I love making cool things. I didn't have enough passion for movies to actually stick with the p…
Also, btw, it takes a lot of guts to admit that you used to too write "Catcher in the Rye" stuff that I just wrote now, ;-).
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#35Thanks, cowmoo, for your story. It could have been mine. I too went to an "artsy liberal arts college". I majored in English for about 3 weeks. Then it was math forever. I was also fortunate enough to join a social fraternity and had the time of my life (not just the parties, but all of it including managing a small "business"). Upon graduation, I had 2 choices: continue on to pursue my PhD in math or get my MBA and…
One day, the apprentice startup wanabe asked the master hacker, "does a dog have true hacker-nature or not?"
The master hacker replied, "woof!"
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#36What I do is keep on programming, etc., but mostly keep non-geeks as friends. I also tried the "hide your inner geek" thing, but in the end I seem to do better socially when I'm open about my interests (although I did lose a few people that I was friends with only on the base of common partying and clubbing interests). The reason is simple - being an entrepreneurial programmer is one very distinguishable feature abou…
Hmm, it's good to hear the two cents from the founder of the Feel Good Initiatives. I am a big fan of your project. I am also staying in Boston (near Beacon Hill) for the summer, and slightly off topic but not really, what are the cool stuff that hackers could do in Boston?
Also, YC is obviously in town, so find somebody who'll get you in on a few of the dinners and you get the speeches for free. :)
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#37you should give it a shot, you have till the 15th of may to apply.
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#38You probably just need a girlfriend (or a boyfriend). Getting laid on a regular basis makes all your imaginary existential issues disappear. Unless you're a character in a french movie...
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#39For example "alienate my friends" gives a compile error: if they are really your friends, being a reclusive from time to time wouldn't alienate them.
I have some friends from the arts scene, and my impression is that they are under a lot of pressure to be special and artsy. What made you think that they would be closer to life than hackers? At least hackers create something real, whereas most art is entirely virtual (in the eye of the beholder).
If you are doing something truly cutting edge, it will probably always be a lonely affair. Just try to find the right balance? You might also enjoy this letter from feynman to wolfram: http://elzr.com/posts/wolfram-feynman
Personally, I guess I am already spoiled by my involvement with computers. To me, people are "just" algorithms that run for a short amount of time, similar to threads in a computer system. In the long term, individual experiences don't matter much. In that sense, mathematics seem way more important to me than daily human struggles. A new mathematical formula could live for thousands of years. I am not sure about computer programs, but perhaps the same goes for some of them. Certainly they can outlive their creators.
I am not saying that daily human life is pointless (who is to judge)? I care about my people's happiness, too (including my own). I compromise to be reasonably popular (ie I invest time in buying nice clothes). But when I really think about it, mathematics seems so much more important and interesting.
Also, there might be environments that are more suited to you (or me). I imagined some universities to be like that, but it is hard or impossible to get into there (for example complex systems research in Santa Fe, or ycombinator). Trying to find the peer group where you really belong might be the ticket nevertheless. I am not sure how to do it, but just because neither the artsy people nor the hardcore hackers are for you, doesn't mean that there is no other group that would be suitable.
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#40You are really looking to figure out who you are and what you care about in life. And this is not a simple answer. People usually have many parts/areas of their "self" that they need to define as time flows on. Some of areas include spirituality, profession, service, fitness, family, etc.
You have to decide what areas of your life are important to you and from there, decide if the current state of those areas are what you'd like. If not, you need to work on that area. You don't need a life revolution even though it may feel like it. You need evolution. Keep parts of your self that you like. Reinvent the rest.
Reminds me of a quote that goes something like this: "Life is like a movie... You can either play an 'extra' in your life... or you can be the lead character."