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Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

#31

Same story from three weeks ago with many, many comments. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1760700 It's very likely that any comments here will cover the same ground, so if you're interested in might be worth reading the comments there first.

Three weeks later and this fast food worker is still in jail. I guess in the UK there is no "innocent until proven guilty" and that's why some left to form the USA a while back. This story couldn't occur in the USA.

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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✓ Old story (October 6th). ✓ Original article omits context. ✓ US Constitution does not cover the British. ✓ Already covered. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1760700 No discussion required.

It is an ongoing story, the man is still imprisoned.

If he had been released and nothing further had happened, maybe you could say "No discussion required".

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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post #31

Same story from three weeks ago with many, many comments. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1760700 It's very likely that any comments here will cover the same ground, so if you're interested in might be worth reading the comments there first.

Three weeks later and this fast food worker is still in jail. I guess in the UK there is no "innocent until proven guilty" and that's why some left to form the USA a while back. This story couldn't occur in the USA.

I'm not going to argue the rights and wrongs of the law, that's a different question. What is certainly true is that he has broken the law regarding providing the password when requested to do so by officers of the law following due process.

I repeat that I'm not arguing that the law is right. I'm merely pointing out that he is not innocent of the charges for which he is imprisoned.

I'm also pretty sure there are similar or analogous breaches of what one might call natural justice in the USA - I'm sure someone can provide examples.

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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post #30

This brings up an idea for TrueCrypt. Why not have two passwords: "foo" and "bar". If I type in "foo", I get my stuff. If I type in "bar", it may selfdestruct the data, but at least it will show a different content. So I create a 100GB container, and reserve 10GB as dummy content, maybe 1 mio. copies of the constitution, which will show up with "bar" as password. So I have a password for the police, and everybody is…

Already in there...

I think they call them shadow volumes...

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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post #30

This brings up an idea for TrueCrypt. Why not have two passwords: "foo" and "bar". If I type in "foo", I get my stuff. If I type in "bar", it may selfdestruct the data, but at least it will show a different content. So I create a 100GB container, and reserve 10GB as dummy content, maybe 1 mio. copies of the constitution, which will show up with "bar" as password. So I have a password for the police, and everybody is…

http://www.truecrypt.org/hiddenvolume

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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post #5

If Moore's Law keeps working, this is a ticking time bomb for him. If the police stay interested and crack his crypto, he'll do more time for whatever he's concealed on his computer (if anything).

Back-of-the-envelope math:

50 characters x 8 bits = 400 bits of entropy

Even if you account for not having backspaces and linfeeds in the password, he could still easily have 256 bits of entropy.

Even with Moore's law, a strong algo like AES-256 is generally considered to be uncrackable, assuming the algorithm and the implementation don't have any flaws.

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is valid, and it is morally reprehensible. In the US, the Fifth Amendment protects us from such travesties.

Not necessarily. For example, let's say I have a safe, and I've hidden the key. The police get a warrant to search my safe. I am then legally obligated to allow them to search my safe, which means that I am legally obligated to reveal the location of the key. In the case of the safe, if I refuse they'll just break it open. Strong encryption is not so easily broken so it may not be in my best interest to cooperate (wh…

In this example your safe is the medium in which the data is stored. If the police get's a warrant to search my safe, they may do so, but when they find a notebook full of enciphered text or a tape with "noise" in it I'm not obligated to provide them with means to decipher them. Hell I could just say I forgot the key, how is anyone going to prove I'm lying?

Personally I agree with you. My data is my data, and I should be able to do whatever I want with it.

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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post #31

Same story from three weeks ago with many, many comments. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1760700 It's very likely that any comments here will cover the same ground, so if you're interested in might be worth reading the comments there first.

Three weeks later and this fast food worker is still in jail. I guess in the UK there is no "innocent until proven guilty" and that's why some left to form the USA a while back. This story couldn't occur in the USA.

This story couldn't occur in the USA.

Actually it can and does. If a judge compels you to turn over your password as a part of the discovery process and you refuse then you can be served with a contempt warrant and go straight to jail without trial and with limited possibility to appeal.

Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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post #34
post #30

This brings up an idea for TrueCrypt. Why not have two passwords: "foo" and "bar". If I type in "foo", I get my stuff. If I type in "bar", it may selfdestruct the data, but at least it will show a different content. So I create a 100GB container, and reserve 10GB as dummy content, maybe 1 mio. copies of the constitution, which will show up with "bar" as password. So I have a password for the police, and everybody is…

Already in there... I think they call them shadow volumes...

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Re: Teenager jailed for refusing to hand over computer password

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post #5

If Moore's Law keeps working, this is a ticking time bomb for him. If the police stay interested and crack his crypto, he'll do more time for whatever he's concealed on his computer (if anything).

The crypto doesn't have to outlast his lifetime, only the statute of limitations for the alleged crime.
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