Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.
Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
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Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#32Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.
Future? Self hosting was common place in the 90’s.
Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#33Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.
I admire your enthusiasm, but most users don’t want to think about or manage these things. Convenience and consistency of experience is the reason for giant corporations to own these services, and unless there is a compelling shift in consumer preferences, that seems unlikely to change.
Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#34Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.
Yes, because I want my grandmother to self host her email on a server. Sure I could do it for her, but what if I died first? It’s not as cut dry as you make it out to be.
EDIT: I get some grandmothers/fathers could be proficient in this, and power to them for being so. Mine are not, and I’m not going to waste their time teaching them when they’re mostly concerned with living out the remainder of the lives with family, etc.
Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#35This reminds me another OpenBSD-based project, but just for hosting emails — caesonia[1], which was recently discussed here[2].
[1]: https://github.com/vedetta-com/caesonia
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16392096
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Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#36This is wonderful. Bravo, and thank you!
Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#37Self hosted email, chat, messaging, calls is the future. Individuals will own host and run their own services for these on public clouds. There is no reason for giant corporations to own these services.
I hosted our e-mail server a few years ago and it was a massive pain, because I could never be certain if e-mails were being delivered.
99% of the time it was fine, but then we'd occasionally run into some odd spam vendor who had blacklisted our IP address (presumably from someone who had used it to spam a decade prior).
Maintaining our own spam filters was a bit of a pain.
For our business, I'm pretty happy shelling out $50 a month to have someone else (Google) take care of everything. I'm basically paying that for the security of knowing my e-mails are actually being delivered. Pretty sure most people feel the same.
Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Similarly Cloudron.io and Sandstorm.io are very impressive and easy to use projects.
Sandstorm is great but apps really don't get updated anymore sadly. The founders also now have day jobs with CF, so probably don't get oodles of time to work on it. Cloudron I've heard is excellent, completely dockerizes and automates everything with a slick webui, has lots of apps, however I just am unwilling to pay $15 a month for it. Will likely roll my own apps/services with Rancher/haproxy/LE (or traefik as the…
I've been using Cloudron.io for months now and have nothing but good things to say. Actively developed, good support, large selection of apps.
Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#39Imagine could get away with running this on 1G with light usage/load? Also don't see webmail here, but imagine shouldn't be too difficult to add (I don't have much exposure to the OpenBSD landscape).
For webmail you could use rainloop or squirrel which can use the web server and the email server for example!
Please do not recommend squirrelmail. It is not really being maintained.
https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/07/26/2
https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/03/17/2
Re: Dank-selfhosted: automated deployment of email, web, DNS, XMPP, ZNC on OpenBSD
#40Their default Prosody config looks pretty nice; having an easy way to deploy a local chat service that has reasonable defaults like stream management, carbons (messages you sent are mirrored across all your clients), history, and HTTP-based file sharing is really nice.
Indeed, it would be great to have a standalone recipe / how to for setting that up. From the scripts there is no black magic involved, except a tiny bit for the integration with LE certificates.
> it would be great to have a standalone recipe / how to for setting that up.
You could probably distill that from their scripts. Be the change you want to see in the world!