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Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by ryanmercer »

sabertoothed wrote: post #3

Kara Swisher is a terrible interviewer. She was terrible here [1], and she was terrible in this interview. You have an hour with Elon Musk and you ask what BFR means again (knowing the answer) and don't know that they attempt to catch fairings? Why does she always look like she did not do her research? Why do I never learn anything new if she interviews? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsixsRI-Sz4

>Kara Swisher is a terrible interviewer.

Agreed, I used to listen to her podcast but she can be very agenda-pushing and condescending if someone even remotely has a different belief than her.

I mean, if you want to do that that's fine be like Adam Carolla, a comedian, and market yourself as such, but if you're doing it as a 'journalist' you need to be impartial.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by loceng »

codechicago277 wrote: post #29
loceng wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon's been a counter-balance to the insanity that is Trump, for me at least.

Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires who built their companies on risky debt financing, and they both have narcissistic traits and an apparent "god complex," as well as difficulty accepting criticism.

Musk "despises" people who lie - including media that lie, not the general media.

And Trump is far from a self-made billionaire - where are you getting your news?

Your comparison is unreasonably loose.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by randomsearch »

codechicago277 wrote: post #29
loceng wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon's been a counter-balance to the insanity that is Trump, for me at least.

Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires who built their companies on risky debt financing, and they both have narcissistic traits and an apparent "god complex," as well as difficulty accepting criticism.

Both victims of the twitter manipulation machine.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by ryandrake »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #28
esotericn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's just a pretty no-nonsense individual. Bureaucracy, and coded ways of doing things, seem to be irresistible to many. He types some words into a phone, presses an enter key, and a decent subset of the world loses their minds. Golly gosh. If I were him, I'd be doing it for the amusement factor alone.

He's the CEO of one of the most valuable car companies and the words he speaks affect those trading on that information. Saying whatever he wants for entertainment is horribly irresponsible when his words have financial consequences for real people. The "funding secured" tweet wasn't harmless, it was a lie that gave a false valuation basis for Tesla at $420. If he was just an employee or outsider that wouldn't matter…

Unpopular opinion but I’m coming up pretty short on sympathy for someone trading stocks based on a few words in a tweet and then losing their shirt. These people are grownups and fully aware of the risks they are taking when they walk into the casino. Nobody is forcing them to read twitter or take it seriously as a source of investment advice.

The $420 thing didn’t hurt grandma’s pension fund or long term buy-and-holders. It hurt day traders, options traders, shorts, and other gamblers.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by codechicago277 »

loceng wrote: post #33
codechicago277 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires who built their companies on risky debt financing, and they both have narcissistic traits and an apparent "god complex," as well as difficulty accepting criticism.

Musk "despises" people who lie - including media that lie, not the general media. And Trump is far from a self-made billionaire - where are you getting your news? Your comparison is unreasonably loose.

Self made is a stretch but he definitely earned billions from risky debt financing. Musk doesn't like media that disagrees with him, just look at what he said in this interview about the WSJ article.

Both Musk and Trump are great at playing to what their base wants and have made themselves look like heroes to their supporters.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by dorianm »

leesec wrote: post #15
sabertoothed wrote: post #3

Kara Swisher is a terrible interviewer. She was terrible here [1], and she was terrible in this interview. You have an hour with Elon Musk and you ask what BFR means again (knowing the answer) and don't know that they attempt to catch fairings? Why does she always look like she did not do her research? Why do I never learn anything new if she interviews? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsixsRI-Sz4

Yeah I thought she was really bad as well. Kept interrupting him and also seemed disinterested in things he was saying. Like she was looking for certain answers and he wouldn't give them so she would just interrupt. She also asked really irrelevant questions, and in some cases condescending.

Yes, all the interruptions, and trying to lead to the answers she wants to hear. Pretty cringeworthy.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by camjohnson26 »

ryandrake wrote: post #35
camjohnson26 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's the CEO of one of the most valuable car companies and the words he speaks affect those trading on that information. Saying whatever he wants for entertainment is horribly irresponsible when his words have financial consequences for real people. The "funding secured" tweet wasn't harmless, it was a lie that gave a false valuation basis for Tesla at $420. If he was just an employee or outsider that wouldn't matter…

Unpopular opinion but I’m coming up pretty short on sympathy for someone trading stocks based on a few words in a tweet and then losing their shirt. These people are grownups and fully aware of the risks they are taking when they walk into the casino. Nobody is forcing them to read twitter or take it seriously as a source of investment advice. The $420 thing didn’t hurt grandma’s pension fund or long term buy-and-hol…

I'm sorry but this kind of thinking is so dangerous. Pumping hurts anyone who buys it after the pump, including grandma's pension fund, because now they're buying it at an artificial value.

Traders have a right to accurate information from the officers of the company, which is the whole reason we have regulations in the first place.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by esotericn »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #28
esotericn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's just a pretty no-nonsense individual. Bureaucracy, and coded ways of doing things, seem to be irresistible to many. He types some words into a phone, presses an enter key, and a decent subset of the world loses their minds. Golly gosh. If I were him, I'd be doing it for the amusement factor alone.

He's the CEO of one of the most valuable car companies and the words he speaks affect those trading on that information. Saying whatever he wants for entertainment is horribly irresponsible when his words have financial consequences for real people. The "funding secured" tweet wasn't harmless, it was a lie that gave a false valuation basis for Tesla at $420. If he was just an employee or outsider that wouldn't matter…

There's a gap in thinking here that I'm not really sure how to bridge, but I'll do my best.

In that specific situation, he performed an action, which resulted in a disciplinary action based on some rule somewhere by the SEC.

Some traders won, some lost. I've worked both as, and around traders for a decent period of time. It is what it is.

As far as I'm concerned, it makes life exciting.

I think any concept of 'harm' is pretty far removed from that.

In short, yes, in life, things happen. Other things happen as a result of those things.

We're all here to have fun, in the end.

Re: Elon Musk: The Recode interview

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Post by loceng »

codechicago277 wrote: post #36
loceng wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk "despises" people who lie - including media that lie, not the general media. And Trump is far from a self-made billionaire - where are you getting your news? Your comparison is unreasonably loose.

Self made is a stretch but he definitely earned billions from risky debt financing. Musk doesn't like media that disagrees with him, just look at what he said in this interview about the WSJ article. Both Musk and Trump are great at playing to what their base wants and have made themselves look like heroes to their supporters.

Self-made is a stretch for whom? Trump, definitely it's a stretch. Elon isn't a stretch to say he's a self-made billionaire.

Likewise, risk is relative - it depends on if the people with the money find it too risky to invest or not, so clearly they didn't think it was too risky, nor did Elon for him to be willing to take it.

Re: Interview - I didn't watch the interview, what are you referencing that he referenced in the WSJ article? My guess is it wasn't accurate or clear enough in his mind, meaning it was a "half truth" and too open to interpretation.

Once again your further attempt to compare Elon and Trump is unreasonably loose. Trump plays his base with lies, Elon isn't playing any game - he's having fun certainly when he does things like throwing shade on the SEC for things relating to what he disagrees with like short sellers, and with things like selling not-a-flamethrowers, however he doesn't blatantly lie constantly - and I'd like you to reference with a reliable source even a single confirmed lie that Elon has said?

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