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Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by jerf »

ElBarto wrote: post #30
jerf wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? We're already getting stories over here in the West where people are struggling with the results AI gives them when applied to people because the results are basically Wrongthink, and are trying to figure out how to get the AIs to conform better to their ideology and preconceived notions of what the AIs should be outputting. It's not a terribly far trip from there to Deutsche Physik or Lysenkoism, excep…

This has nothing to do with Deutsche Physik but it fits the narrative of some people to associate China with Nazi Germany or any other dystopian regime.

The connection between China and "dystopian regimes" seems pretty clear to me. The biggest difference is that the Nazis and the Soviets could only dream of the tools the Chinese already have and will have, though the Soviets definitely proved that even without tech you could get yourself a pretty solidly oppressive police state going.

Only time can tell if the result will be a state that explodes even more quickly due to the suppressed stresses coming out all at once at some point, or a stable totalitarian state will emerge.

Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by internet555 »

yorwba wrote: post #20
klrr wrote: post #9

I think China will create an AI bubble, currently studying in Beijing and all EE and CS students I know focus all their time at either stats, ML or data mining. While I think China might have a big shot at the AI race, I don't think it's useful to have to only focus on AI because it's hot right now, they may lack progress in other fundamental fields that may lead to more important breakthrough and technological chang…

It's not just China. At my German university all courses related to AI/ML/data mining/stats are oversubscribed by a factor of 2 to 5. One professor went so far as to stress that he didn't have any experience with deep learning and he'd only cover Bayesian statistics in order to discourage students. I don't think it worked. I'm pretty sure that there's a similar surge of interest in all countries.

I could be quite wrong but wouldn’t a course in Bayesian statistics be a lot more useful for someone interested in inference or however you will say it?

Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by woodpanel »

hanchinese wrote: post #10

If you look at recent news and HN discussions, you'd be seeing some interesting patterns - 1. Tesla building its factory in Shanghai, China - "forced tech transfer, IP theft" 2. Xi pushes for AI, "it will be used for monitoring of lives of everybody" 3. 4 out of the top 10 biggest internet companies are in China - "censorship, repression, GFW" I am wondering whether keeping 1.4 billion Chinese living with stone age t…

I don't understand your reasoning here.

Do you want to say that in China there isn't forced tech transfer, intense surveillance, censorship and repression?

Or do you want to say, because people on HN pointing out those things, they are racist?

Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by [deleted] »

jerf wrote: post #31
ElBarto wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with Deutsche Physik but it fits the narrative of some people to associate China with Nazi Germany or any other dystopian regime.

The connection between China and "dystopian regimes" seems pretty clear to me. The biggest difference is that the Nazis and the Soviets could only dream of the tools the Chinese already have and will have, though the Soviets definitely proved that even without tech you could get yourself a pretty solidly oppressive police state going. Only time can tell if the result will be a state that explodes even more quickly du…

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Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by pimmen »

gaius wrote: post #11
klrr wrote: post #9

I think China will create an AI bubble, currently studying in Beijing and all EE and CS students I know focus all their time at either stats, ML or data mining. While I think China might have a big shot at the AI race, I don't think it's useful to have to only focus on AI because it's hot right now, they may lack progress in other fundamental fields that may lead to more important breakthrough and technological chang…

AI bubble, currently studying in Beijing and all EE and CS students I know focus all their time at either stats, ML or data mining Yes everyone wants to mine the data, but noone wants to generate or gather new original data in the first place.

China does want to gather data, it has deployed tons of sensors and cameras to monitor its population's habits on the street. With the personal credit score implemented it can monitor its population even more thoroughly. How much data it gathers on its population thanks to the Great Firewall we can only speculate.

Granted, population data is one thing since you can incentivize people to share it. Data gathering that requires investment of money into sensors and time for careful placement of them is a completely different thing entirely

Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by dTal »

gman83 wrote: post #3

Kind of unrelated, but I remember reading this interview with President Obama and being really impressed with how much he seemed to know about AI: https://www.wired.com/2016/10/president-obama-mit-joi-ito-in...

Wow. Not just about AI - he's consistently insightful in that conversation, and demonstrates a systems-level mindset that one might even describe as hacker-esque...

"Part of what makes us human are the kinks. They’re the mutations, the outliers, the flaws that create art or the new invention, right? We have to assume that if a system is perfect, then it’s static. And part of what makes us who we are, and part of what makes us alive, is that we’re dynamic and we’re surprised."

Hell of a quote.

Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by andy_ppp »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #29
orbifold wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily drones still have significant limitations on achievable flight time. Some of which are dictated by the laws of physics. So for the foreseeable future there won’t be any bird sized drones chasing you down. Military drones on the other hand are much larger and expensive.

And one crash will have high repercussion, even in China.

Depends if the other drones decide to stop you from speaking out.

Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by jimmy1 »

singularity2001 wrote: post #26
gman83 wrote: post #3

Kind of unrelated, but I remember reading this interview with President Obama and being really impressed with how much he seemed to know about AI: https://www.wired.com/2016/10/president-obama-mit-joi-ito-in...

"either they’re drugging us to keep us fat and happy or we’re in the Matrix" I miss this guy and his connectedness with our culture.

I don't miss this guy and his connectedness to our shadow ops, drone killings, and abuse of constitutional power that basically left a loaded gun in the white house for president dumbass now at his disposal.

Re: Xi Jinping urges China to use artificial intelligence in race for tech future

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

notbeevil wrote: post #38

I don't think the VC of hacknews will care. They only care if they can make money from it.

There is lots of money to be made riding the CCP’s hyped priorities, just not by the VCs outside of China. YC has a China branch.
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