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Apple's New Map

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Re: Apple's New Map

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I cannot fail to notice how many # of ads, notifications, various asks, pop-ups, disclaimers, endorsements, contact buttons or share buttons there are on this page compared to what we see in any other piece of content with as much detailed information.

The author definitely enjoys compiling these amazing essays and share this knowledge.

Thank you, Justin!

Re: Apple's New Map

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I wonder if Apple is artificially shortening buildings so you can see what is behind them.

Seems like an odd conceit for Apple to make, particularly since they've been pushing the accuracy of their 3D maps, and since you can easily rotate the map in 3D to get a full view of everything. My guess is that their algorithm to calculate the height of buildings from satellite imagery messed up.

No, because if you view in 3D view using satellite mode, the buildings all look the correct height, indicating that the algorithm can work correctly. It seems to be specific to the 3D non-satellite (what they call "map") view. Which suggests it might be an intentional design decision to try to reduce masking. Very weird.

Re: Apple's New Map

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Another great article from this blog! Last year's article from the same author [1] about Goggle Maps' use of photogrammetry and other building scanning techiques was, in my opinion, one of the most interesting HN submissions ever (its comment section[2] is also worth a read). [1] https://www.justinobeirne.com/google-maps-moat [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15965653

He's written multiple articles about maps, even before that one: https://www.justinobeirne.com . He's very good at spotting details in maps–IIRC he worked on Apple's maps team before, so this isn't particularly surprising.

He wrote many more excellent articles before he worked at Apple, all posted to https://www.41latitude.com/

Sadly he took them down, disappeared into the memory hole the way so many Apple employee's work has a way of doing. I'm glad he's out and writing in public again.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using streets from maps that predate TomTom’s maps defeats the purpose of a trap street. The plagiariser could just claim to have sourced the data from old, public domain, sources.

True, but that is assuming that those streets ever existed. As far as I can tell from the article that's just an assumption. Although I think it would actually be possible to use once-real-but-no-longer steets as trap streets, as long as your sources are improbable enough. For example, if you take a map from 1908, remove one street, then add in another single street from 1920, etc., your exact combination of streets…

sounds like more work than just making some trap streets.

It brings up an interesting issue though - ideally if you have trap streets you would never want to use them in route finding...

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On a side note I can't even imagine how big that webpage was. If you like animated gifs, boy have I got the page for you! All in all, what I've learnt is how many petabytes must be involved in mapping the US and the world and the 3D aspects.

89.9MB, 48.33s load time.

oh, so 1/5 the size of your average news website with a garbage video ad shoved in. And the video content is actually relevant!

Re: Apple's New Map

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I think this article illustrates a critical issue with Apple's software. The stance on privacy means little machine learning can take place. Little machine learning means that Apple has to resort to more manual techniques. This, in turn, leads to the far inferior (and often dangerously incorrect) place databases and issues with their Maps application. And then users will simply turn to an alternative which absolutely…

You may take another look at the article.

It's incredibly detailed in pointing out the differences between old and new Apple Maps, as well as comparing map images from Apple, Google, Tom Tom, and others.

The article demonstrates through the use of animated gifs that Apple Maps has become significantly better over time and in many cases surpasses the quality of competitors.

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I could't figure out if the author was being sarcastic by stressing the vegetation detail so much. Certainly seemed like an interesting focus.

It's niche, but I could see this feature being useful to me. This is relevant when using maps to scout outdoor locations for whatever activity it is. I use maps to find public bodies of water to go fishing along the lake shore. Getting an idea of the vegetation around a lake before zooming in and looking at the satellite data (which is mentally tiring to me) is very nice. I find myself preferring Apple's Maps app to the Google Maps app on iOS even if Google has better maps in its app anyway, so I really welcome these improvements.

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I could't figure out if the author was being sarcastic by stressing the vegetation detail so much. Certainly seemed like an interesting focus.

I think the author has a genuine passion for maps, and finds the vegetation to be a great feature.

Except that the new map makes it seem as though California is some lush, green, tropical land. I think the green is way over-emphasized on the new map compared to the old, which is a bit more realistic looking to my eyes.
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