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Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by creaghpatr » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:11 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #22

learc83 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the rest of what that article says about the topic. I'm not sure why it brings up the topic 2x in the same article. It looks like this paragraph is a revision of the first. "Former intelligence officials told me that Chinese intelligence once recruited a staff member at a California office of U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, and the source reported back to China about local politics. (A spokesperson for Feinstei…

>He was talking about local politics to someone who worked for the Chinese government. Everyone in the government contractor industry (or government itself) gets annual training on spotting these sorts of leaks. Just discussing any stuff (even if you don't work with classified things) you're doing at work with a foreign national is touchy enough that many people avoid doing it all together. Everyone who works for the…

Fortunately we have the indictments now that demonstrates the methods, if not not the sources, of similar activities described in the Politico expose, and in light of this it makes Feinstein’s office’s charitable characterization of that staffer look awfully naive. That no California staffer ever held a security clearance is a response to the wrong question, even an intentional misdirection.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by JPKab » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:17 PM UTC

nraynaud wrote: post #21

jorblumesea wrote: post #11

As much as I think the tariffs are not the right solution, something needs to be done to punish Chinese aggression towards the West. They've been playing very dirty without any real consequences. Trade should not be conducted through industrial espionage or intelligence agencies as a standard approach. The blurred line between Chinese intelligence and Chinese businesses is a dangerous one as it can turn IP theft into…

Remember that the CIA did worse (like droning children in Yemen), be careful what you wish for.

Yes, and the American people are allowed to talk about that, protest it and discuss it without being imprisoned. The knee-jerk "whataboutism" in discussions like these does nothing to help.

While I understand the desire by many to hold the US more accountable, combined with the instinctive "love the underdog, hate the champ" philosophy that shapes the narrative of the global left wing, keep in mind that China's current state-capitalist structure is, economically, much more similar to Nazi Germany than to any Socialist or Communist state of the past.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by mulmen » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:19 PM UTC

PakG1 wrote: post #25

justicezyx wrote: post #18

As an ethical Chinese myself, I'd like to reiterate that this type event is government-backed. And I am confident that HNers respect the boundary between Chinese people and the government. I do want to point out that general Chinese people in mainland China view these type of activities negatively as well. It should not be thought as the general people endorse such activities, they were mostly made unaware of these,…

As a foreigner living in China, I can say that the populace is like many other countries. You have your normal people who don't really keep track of what's going on, you have your informed people who have informed opinions and realize that the world is a complicated place, and then you have your crazies who are filled with distrust of other nations and conspiracy theories in the name of nationalism and patriotism. Th…

I'm not sure what your point is in your last two sentences. Should the US not defend its interests against foreign powers?

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by mulmen » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:22 PM UTC

TotempaaltJ wrote: post #5

grezql wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont see any racism in headline?

I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.

I'm aware of the difference between the Chinese government and the people of China in the same way I can distinguish between the people of Russia and their government. Same for Germany, the US or any other country. This race card play is diversionary.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by thereare5lights » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:31 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #13

grezql wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont see any racism in headline?

There isn't any. It's a very obvious attempt to divert from the subject of the discussion (China stealing tech from the US) by using an aggressive cover (racism) that is heavier than the focus subject.

OP is skipping ahead to the inevitable scaremongering which will be racism. It's already happened multiple times with incompetent federal agents making up phony charges, ruining people's lives, and then dropping the charges a year later when it becomes obvious that they have no case because they were just being racist.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by duxup » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:36 PM UTC

jerf wrote: post #9

When we were discussing the Bloomberg story, I replied a couple of times to people hypothesizing maybe it was an American government conspiracy to turn people against China. My reply is that we didn't need to make up such stories, because we've got plenty of much better sourced ones already. For those who were wondering, here's an example. It still isn't proof, of course, but I think we can generally agree it's almos…

It wouldn't seem necessary to fabricate such elaborate stories because:

1. Most Americans aren't paying attention / don't respond to them.

2. We clearly have a situation where POTUS if he wanted could just make up a story and get people's attention.

On the other hand stories like this would fit in nicely with state run / controlled media as the feed could simply be placed where you know it would get attention (if only because it is exists largely by itself).

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by thereare5lights » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:38 PM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #33

PakG1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a foreigner living in China, I can say that the populace is like many other countries. You have your normal people who don't really keep track of what's going on, you have your informed people who have informed opinions and realize that the world is a complicated place, and then you have your crazies who are filled with distrust of other nations and conspiracy theories in the name of nationalism and patriotism. Th…

I'm not sure what your point is in your last two sentences. Should the US not defend its interests against foreign powers?

OP is saying that the US doesn't have the moral high ground and anyone spouting off about how badly China is acting is just being asinine since we do the exact same thing to everyone (and if we weren't then our intelligence agencies need to get off their asses and do it).

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by thereare5lights » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:39 PM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #34

TotempaaltJ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.

I'm aware of the difference between the Chinese government and the people of China in the same way I can distinguish between the people of Russia and their government. Same for Germany, the US or any other country. This race card play is diversionary.

Then you must also be aware that a very large amount of people are not aware of or don't care about the difference. The race blind card exists as well.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by hopefulengineer » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:42 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #11

As much as I think the tariffs are not the right solution, something needs to be done to punish Chinese aggression towards the West. They've been playing very dirty without any real consequences. Trade should not be conducted through industrial espionage or intelligence agencies as a standard approach. The blurred line between Chinese intelligence and Chinese businesses is a dangerous one as it can turn IP theft into…

Everybody is talking about the social aspect of Bolsonaro in brazil, but the major thing people are ignoring is the impact on China. Together US and Brazil produce 80%+ of the worlds soybeans and corn. Brazil has been friendly with China for years but Bolsonaro hates them more than Trump. If they work together they can effectively starve China into complying with trade laws

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Post by api_or_ipa » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 6:45 PM UTC

I love reading about the Chinese efforts in developing a modern turbofan engine. For whatever reason, they just can't build a good medium- or high- bypass turbofan in-house. They're latest WS-20 is basically a clone of the CFM-56 and previously they spent decades developing the WS-6 and WS-10 that never met expectations.

This is a big deal because the Comac 919 is ready to go but without a powerplant, they're having to turn to Western sources for an engine. The same thing happened with the J-10 project a decade ago and again recently with the J-20. Without a reliable powerplant, you can't build good airplanes and you can't easily reverse engineer a precision turbofan.