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Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by stuart78 » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:01 AM UTC

jbarciauskas wrote: post #22

mychael wrote: post #16

I don't visit Gab, but I will definitely be closing my Joyent account. If you're not a courageous and principled defender of free speech, you should get out of the cloud business.

The US standard for what is legally free speech is absurdly low. Why should companies hold themselves to it? Why should they force themselves to support organizations that promote the wholesale elimination of other classes of people?

The ‘US Standard’ for free speech is exactly where it should be, and applies to the government’s role in censoring citizen speech. Joyent, as a business has no obligation to support anything outside of their own policies.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by jbob2000 » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:01 AM UTC

> Big tech can not stop us. The mainstream media can not stop us.

> The People will defend freedom against tyranny as they always have and always will.

> God bless you all and God bless...

These comments are kind of partisan, no? A neutral company would just say “hey, we’re going to a new service because of X, back soon!”. Let the users cry “free speech, god bless”.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by suprfsat » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:03 AM UTC

mohammedbin wrote: post #21

milemi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Move along sockpuppet.

Please don't make ad-hominem attacks, you're hurting HN as a community.

It's pretty simple: "kill all whites" isn't racist.

If you don't understand that then you're hurting HN as a community.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by krschultz » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:03 AM UTC

mychael wrote: post #16

I don't visit Gab, but I will definitely be closing my Joyent account. If you're not a courageous and principled defender of free speech, you should get out of the cloud business.

Gab is in the same category as The Daily Stormer. It's not courageous to hide behind free speech absolutism to protect content that invites others to violence. That's being too weak to engage in making the hard choices of what you will support with your efforts. It's the exact opposite of being principled.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by aldoushuxley001 » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:03 AM UTC

lgierth wrote: post #11

mohammedbin wrote: post #2

I'm not even white, nor do I honestly "admire" white people per se. But it seems perfectly okay to say- "kill all white people" on twitter. Only recently Australian parliament voted against a symbolic motion- "It's okay to be white". And nobody seems to raise a finger. I mean fucking white people ruined Asia, sure. But it had nothing to do with their skin color and it was the ancestors. Somehow gab is the bad guy her…

We're talking about more than just saying things here. 11 people have been murdered by a white supremacist, and Gab is the online community for white supremacists / neonazis / anti-semites, one of whom is the murderer, whose actions have been heavily influenced by the specific culture of that community. What does the white-people stuff you allegedly saw "on twitter" have to do with that? Come on, really?

Gab is not the online community for white supremacists, that's just an absurd hyperbolic statement. I would downvote you if I could.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by sremani » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:03 AM UTC

Isn't @Joyent part of Samsung ?

https://www.joyent.com/blog/samsung-acquires-joyent

This should be really interesting in days to come.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by jbarciauskas » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:05 AM UTC

stuart78 wrote: post #31

jbarciauskas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US standard for what is legally free speech is absurdly low. Why should companies hold themselves to it? Why should they force themselves to support organizations that promote the wholesale elimination of other classes of people?

The ‘US Standard’ for free speech is exactly where it should be, and applies to the government’s role in censoring citizen speech. Joyent, as a business has no obligation to support anything outside of their own policies.

I think we are mostly in agreement?

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by lgierth » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:05 AM UTC

aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #35

lgierth wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about more than just saying things here. 11 people have been murdered by a white supremacist, and Gab is the online community for white supremacists / neonazis / anti-semites, one of whom is the murderer, whose actions have been heavily influenced by the specific culture of that community. What does the white-people stuff you allegedly saw "on twitter" have to do with that? Come on, really?

Gab is not the online community for white supremacists, that's just an absurd hyperbolic statement. I would downvote you if I could.

Are there others in the >100,000 users range?

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by mychael » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:06 AM UTC

jbarciauskas wrote: post #22

mychael wrote: post #16

I don't visit Gab, but I will definitely be closing my Joyent account. If you're not a courageous and principled defender of free speech, you should get out of the cloud business.

The US standard for what is legally free speech is absurdly low. Why should companies hold themselves to it? Why should they force themselves to support organizations that promote the wholesale elimination of other classes of people?

> Why should they force themselves to support organizations that promote the wholesale elimination of other classes of people

Straw man arguments like this really lower the quality of discussion.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Post by jnbiche » Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 3:06 AM UTC

jbarciauskas wrote: post #12

mohammedbin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing a tangential point. Why is it okay to say - "kill all whites" and the platform let's you be but not okay for a user to say "kill jews" and the platform boots the user and yet gets booted itself.

There is no credible threat against white people as a group. Those who say this generally do so as a way to raise awareness of the very real threats posed by white supremacists, not as a real threat. Taken in context, the distinction is easy to make.

Oh, come on. As today's horrible event demonstrated, all it takes is one single unbalanced individual with a semi-automatic weapon, and the members of any group -- white, black, Asian, Latino, Jewish, Muslim -- are at risk.

And writing about killing members of any group only services to rile up and incite those people among us who are predisposed to violence. And those people are of every color and nationality that exists.