It's crazy that the maintainer of that list thought this would be a good idea. This is a huge breach of trust.
Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
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Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#32I found that for me a whitelist makes more sense then a blacklist. I use umatrix with these two default rules: * * * block * 1st-party * allow So by default a site can load whatever it wants from its own domain and nothing from 3rd party domains. Then I add rules as needed. The Umatrix interface makes this super easy.
Can you teach me this skill? I usually don't mind steep learning curves and taking a while to familiarize myself with a piece of technology if I believe that I'll end up benefiting from it (I type in dvorak, use a tiling window manager, I'm a shell power user etc...) but try as I might I just can't wrap my head around umatrix.
I understand what it does, I just don't understand how to use it effectively. Like I just tried it: I enabled uMatrix and went on the website of the NY Times. I end up with a rather large matrix with a bunch of domains like "a.nytimes.com", "api.nytimes.com", "samizdat-graphql.nytimes.com", "optimizely.com", "js-sec.indexwww.com" and many others, includind a bunch of google and amazon domains.
How am I supposed to figure out what I should whitelist in there? Trial and error?
There are a few obvious candidates for blacklisting (amazon-adsystem.com for instance) but I'm sure that those would already be blocked by my uBlock filters. Actually so far uBlock with a few ad + privacy enhancing filters seem to do a decent job which makes uMatrix even more frustrating because I feel like I'm doing something by hand that uBlock does just fine automatically.
But at the same time I often see people praise uMatrix here on HN and that makes me feel inadequate and noobish so I really want to understand what I'm not understanding.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#33A volunteer abusing their position? You get that in the best of projects.
> Remove FIN-0 list due to breach of trust
Looks like u-block is handling this well.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that people are abusing tools for ad-blocking to achieve political goals is a major breach of trust. This is the main issue. For the record, political strikes happen in the other Nordic countries as well. According to a quick search on the Internet, the only Nordic citizens who are _not_ allowed to partake in a political strike are public servants in Sweden.
Yes I agree that the adblock list is a major breach of trust and should not have been done. I just wanted to give especially Americans some view on how different things may be. According to my search as an example in Denmark they're only allowed if "Short and for reasonable cause" and so forth and sweden was not listed at all, but norway was. This is likely a mix of case law and actual written law. https://www.asi.is…
Yeah, there's a lot of single cases with little actual law on the subject.
Finland is probably one of the few places where you can't fire an employee for participating in a poltical strike. The ability to fire someone for going on strike doesn't make the strike illegal though.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is brilliant!! This gives political clout back to the normal people. Cleaners and trash disposal workers on strike for 2 months?? Country comes to a standstill. Investment bankers on strike for 2 years? Nobody noticed except for retirees that get more pension benefits.
In reality though, cleaners and trash disposal workers can't probably afford 2 weeks without salary. Investment bankers might be able to afford 2 years, but I think they'd rather get paid too.
Unions here have a "strike budget" where if the union supports the strike, they pay a portion of your salary. Some can also give you loans.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#36That was fast.
Not only has the list been yanked from hosting, but Juvander Consulting, who was responsible for it, has deleted the Facebook page for the list, and all mention of it from their site, even scrubbing old blog entries about it.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#37This is not precisely about the filter list but the whole shenanigans that led to it. Persons from other countries might be interested in this little quirk of Finland. Especially as it relates to workers rights in general. In Finland, unique among Nordic countries, political strikes are allowed. What does this mean? Let's say you're not happy about a decision made by Trump you can go to a strike. Sure the company doe…
> So obviously we as a country are bit torn on the issue as what can the employer do about it?
Maybe talk to the workers? They are losing money, so the issue must be important for them.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#38The fundamental problem is that these filter lists are maintained by random volunteers, who everyone just assumes are trustworthy. The browser makers avoid the issues by having ad-blockers be third-party extensions. The extension makers don't make the filter lists either, they just import from EasyList and similar. It's surprising there arent't more cases of corruption and broken trust. I wish I could get ad-blocking…
I'm not familiar with it but aren't Apple doing things with built-in adblocking these days?
As an aside (but still relating to your comment) I tend to trust my adblocker based on the "many eyeballs" theory and I think the OP and ensuing discussion here is proof that the system mostly works.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
In reality though, cleaners and trash disposal workers can't probably afford 2 weeks without salary. Investment bankers might be able to afford 2 years, but I think they'd rather get paid too.
Unions here have a "strike budget" where if the union supports the strike, they pay a portion of your salary. Some can also give you loans.
Yes, they do. But for many low paid jobs, you need all of your salary to make the ends meet. And the unions don't have unlimited budgets either.
One of the major reasons why strikes typically last only a couple of days, is that the unions start losing their support when their members' personal financial loss exceeds the perceived importance of the issue.
Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland
#40That was fast. Not only has the list been yanked from hosting, but Juvander Consulting, who was responsible for it, has deleted the Facebook page for the list, and all mention of it from their site, even scrubbing old blog entries about it.
I guess they're not familiar with Barbra Streisand?