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China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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Re: China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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Multi-GNSS support increases the reliability and signal availability. Commercial chipset will usually add support for all of them and don't just choose one.

Newest phones (like iPhone 8) work with GPS, Galileo, Glonass, and QZSS. Beidou support will come in the future.

Re: China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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>... even precision missiles. So if GPS were to be jammed, or disabled by a hack into the ground control systems -- PLA missiles would still work just fine. Hmm.

It would be unwise for Chinese missiles to use a positioning system controlled by the US military, to say the least...

Re: China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So China has the technology to destroy satellites [ Any country that can launch a satellite has a technology to destroy one. It's called a missile. You don't even need to go to orbit - just intersect the orbit of the target and dump a bucket of nails in its path.

> Any country that can launch a satellite has a technology to destroy one It's easier to put something in orbit than to knock something out of orbit.

You can destroy something without taking it out of orbit. The pieces will happily carry on along their orbital trajectories.

Re: China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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Note you can buy off-the-shelf GPS modules today that will work across all four GNSS: https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/neo-m8-series

Exactly. At the moment, the consumers benefit from the increased accuracy and coverage provided by multiple GNSS. Sidenote: the ublox M8 chips are a pleasure to work with, and there are variants that have IMUs (gyros and accelerometers) on board for sensor fusion. All for <10$. What an exciting time we live in!

> Sidenote: the ublox M8 chips are a pleasure to work with, and there are variants that have IMUs (gyros and accelerometers) on board for sensor fusion. All for I wish someone would build a USB data logger using one of these. I still use one to geotag photos and record trips, but all the available models use old GPS-only chips and can be pretty jumpy when reception is poor. Having one that fused multiple GNSS and had an IMU to smooth out some of the random jumpiness would be ideal.

Re: China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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"We are likely to see an increased bifurcation of the world into two camps - 'pro-China' and 'pro-US'", says Blaine Curcio, founder of Orbital Gateway Consulting Why do some people view it as a with-us-or-against-us problem? Combining beidou with GPS gives a better accuracy. Some competition and collaboration in the GPS field can benefit us as a whole.

Eventually most mobile devices will contain a single chip that supports GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, Beidou, and other smaller regional GNSS's. They all rely on somewhat similar technology so it's mainly a software problem.

Re: China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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"We are likely to see an increased bifurcation of the world into two camps - 'pro-China' and 'pro-US'", says Blaine Curcio, founder of Orbital Gateway Consulting Why do some people view it as a with-us-or-against-us problem? Combining beidou with GPS gives a better accuracy. Some competition and collaboration in the GPS field can benefit us as a whole.

I wouldn't want to be navigating critical transportation during a dispute between China and the United States with this track record (would you?): http://fortune.com/2018/08/28/china-has-been-withholding-bir... https://www.wired.com/story/australias-ban-on-huawei-is-just... https://nypost.com/2018/09/19/chinas-social-credit-system-is... http://fortune.com/2016/05/20/chinese-social-manipulation/

It's precisely the fear of having navigation turned off that led to nations launching their own GPS alternatives. More satellites is better for critical transportation if one nation (be it China or US) wants to turn disable their system for civilians.

Re: China's GPS 'rival' Beidou

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Why is 'rival' quoted?

Because GPS do not rival each other in any practical sense, instead they complement each other. More GPS systems means more satellites means greater accuracy for users.

Let's hope even more countries get into GPS "rivalry."

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