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Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by Someone1234 »

imladyboy wrote: post #13
FireBeyond wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in the US would be advertising a sticker price that includes hypothetical "gas savings" be not considered misleading to the consumer. Perhaps if they want to advertise gas savings they should be forced to also add "increased home electricity costs".

They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy o…

While I dislike them using the gas saving in the headline figure, I cannot criticize the way they came up with the gas saving figure, that's an extremely fair way to calculate it (almost too conservative).

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by threeseed »

benatkin wrote: post #22
krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

TCO isn't nonsense. Because they aren't comparing to the TCO of other automobiles, they have to adjust the sticker price to help buyers consider the TCO.

Did Apple include TCO in their iPhone pricing given that they support their device longer than other OEMs ? No.

Did Toyota include TCO in their hybrid car pricing given that it also reduces gas consumption? No.

Did Rolex include TCO in their watch pricing given that the resale value doesn't significantly depreciate ? No.

Nobody does this because it's intentionally deceptive.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by imladyboy »

Someone1234 wrote: post #31
imladyboy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy o…

While I dislike them using the gas saving in the headline figure, I cannot criticize the way they came up with the gas saving figure, that's an extremely fair way to calculate it (almost too conservative).

And while it may be a bit hidden (After incentives & gas savings -> Gasoline savings) they even allow you to customize it a bit based on Miles/Year and gasoline price.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by shaftway »

It looks like they've removed the long range single motor option. It used to be

- Long range single motor: $49,000

- Long range dual motor: $54,000

- Long range performance: $64,000

Now it's:

- Mid range single motor: $45,000

- Long range dual motor: $54,000

- Long range performance: $64,000

So it looks like a savings of $4,000 off the older long range single motor.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by dragontamer »

imladyboy wrote: post #13
FireBeyond wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in the US would be advertising a sticker price that includes hypothetical "gas savings" be not considered misleading to the consumer. Perhaps if they want to advertise gas savings they should be forced to also add "increased home electricity costs".

They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy o…

But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime.

I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead.

The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). AND it mostly won't use gasoline (50-mile all-electric range == good enough to not use gasoline in over 99% of my expected drives)

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by tbabb »

imladyboy wrote: post #8

It also appears they have removed the option for purchasing the "Full Self Driving" functionality.

Quite sensibly. It seemed pretty shady to me to charge customers for a feature that wasn't delivered or legally approved or likely even finished.

I suspect they're finding the shipped hardware isn't enough to accomplish what they want with the necessary reliability. Elon has already hinted that shipped 3's will need a computer upgrade to support full self-driving. They are probably wisely backing off on guaranteeing full self-driving on hardware that hasn't been proven to succeed to specification.

Total speculation, but I'd bet a chocolate chip cookie that they'll find they need to make changes to the sensor array as well. (If I were designing this from scratch, I'd want a wide stereoscopic baseline between cameras for optical ranging. They have multiple cameras, but they are narrowly spaced, and may have fields of view that differ too much for stereoscopic fusion. I'd aim for "larger number of shittier/cheaper cameras.")

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by tbabb »

elihu wrote: post #9

> Model 3 Mid Range Rear-Wheel Drive $45,000 > Incentives - $10,000 > Gas Savings- $4,300 > Price after Est. Savings $30,700 This is good news, but it's still not the $35,000 model. Also, what's the breakdown on the incentives? I thought the federal rebate was $7500 if they haven't run out of those yet. Are they including state rebates (which presumably aren't the same everywhere)? Including "gas savings" in the pric…

Federal incentives cut in half in January. If I am not mistaken, the order deadline for a guaranteed delivery before Jan 1 passed a few days ago. It is possibly misleading to incorporate the full $7500 savings into the price, because they may not be able to deliver your car soon enough for you to claim it-- and they know this.

Agree about the gas savings. That's totally low.

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