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Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by boxfire »

IshKebab wrote: post #23
lloydde wrote: post #15

The weekend submission of this article had a comment with a marketing to law enforcement video linked https://www.dropbox.com/s/x83gyclt497fi8t/Ring%20Neighborhoo... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18215293

Seems like a well designed system. Note if you don't watch the video - the police can only send requests to users for video. The users can say no.

That is some "think of the children" legislation away from a rubber stamp subpoena system. Oh well, I don't assume privacy outside my bedroom anyway. Maybe not even in it soon enough.

Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by drasticmeasures »

zby wrote: post #2

I am surprised that it is only 300 times - but this is probably because these devices are now bought by wealthy people who don't commit too many crimes or felonies.

You don't have to commit a crime to be targeted, spied on, harassed and have your life destroyed by the government.

When the government spies on innocent people en masse -- because they say they should have nothing to hide --, the government is the one doing harm to an innocent person, and it's the government who has something to hide.

Without accountability, and given the secret and anonymous nature of their interference, we can't trust that the government only spies on guilty people, because they will circularly claim that they are guilty because they are spied on.

And you shouldn't take solace that comparatively only a few innocent people get their lives destroyed, not just because it can happen to you, or because it shouldn't happen in the first place, but because not being accountable for their crimes gradually emboldens the government, and given advances in automation, to scale it up and encompass more of society until one day they come for you or your children.

Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by snarf21 »

yardie wrote: post #6

If your data is not end to end private key encrypted, then you are inviting the government in to look at all your shit; photos, documents, logs, everything.

I completely agree with you but the challenge is how do you get people to care about privacy when they publicly post their current location and meal to public profiles daily? How do you convince people to PAY for services from companies that care about privacy instead of picking the "free" option where everything you do and say is tracked? We can blame the government but we are complicit in our apathy.

Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by SquareWheel »

yters wrote: post #20

It's interesting how many hardware and software services are "in the cloud" now. For example Slack monitors the conversations of thousands of businesses, and there's no telling what they do with the data behind the scenes.

People who are concerned about privacy should read the policies which are designed specifically for them.

https://slack.com/privacy-policy

Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by oulipo »

brian_herman__ wrote: post #14
oulipo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why we are building on-device private AI at Snips ( https://snips.ai , disclaimer: I'm a co-founder) We believe that the only way to have people trust AI is when we will make it possible to have privacy-respecting AI, we believe it is not only feasible, but it is our duty to build AI which respects people and is able to scale without presenting a danger to our societies

Sorry man your site lost me at the token based app store...

Hi Brian, I understand your concern, we try to have a global view of what it means to bring a private-by-design product to the market

And when we consider all this, we are thinking about:

- how can we remunerate people who want to share their data

- how can we ensure that people can buy apps without leaking information about who they are and what they do

- how can we incentivize the creation of an encryption-based machine-learning network which would allow to do private-by-design model training

and the answer to all of these was too build a decentralized AI

you can learn more about this on our blog:

- https://medium.com/snips-ai/decentralized-machine-learning-u...

- https://medium.com/snips-ai/token-curated-app-stores-dec6a0c...

Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by [deleted] »

wstrange wrote: post #12
yardie wrote: post #6

If your data is not end to end private key encrypted, then you are inviting the government in to look at all your shit; photos, documents, logs, everything.

We tend to view this as a technology problem. The real question: Why do we let governments get away with this kind of behavior? Fighting a technology arms race with the government is a losing battle. They can ask for private keys to be handed over - on threat of jail time if you don't comply. We need to start at the ballot box.

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Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by oh_sigh »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26
brian_herman__ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry man your site lost me at the token based app store...

> lost me at the token based app store Same. Got excited, then saw it's shilling a coin [1]. From a branding perspective, this undoes the goodwill won by the privacy message. [1] https://token.snips.ai

Did you take a moment to understand why they are doing this with a coin, or are you just anti-crypto-coins altogether?

Re: Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data

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Post by docmars »

brian_herman__ wrote: post #14
oulipo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why we are building on-device private AI at Snips ( https://snips.ai , disclaimer: I'm a co-founder) We believe that the only way to have people trust AI is when we will make it possible to have privacy-respecting AI, we believe it is not only feasible, but it is our duty to build AI which respects people and is able to scale without presenting a danger to our societies

Sorry man your site lost me at the token based app store...

What is your concern around this? I'm not aware of what this implies as being a negative aspect to using Snips. Please elaborate when you get a moment. :)
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