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Teach Yourself to Echolocate: A beginner’s guide to navigating with sound

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Re: Teach Yourself to Echolocate: A beginner’s guide to navigating with sound

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Post by p1esk »

jfries wrote: post #4
givinguflac wrote: post #3

I’ve been practicing this for years and it’s quite useful. It’s not like seeing of course, but I’m able to get an idea of a room size and material hard/softness. Useful for not walking into walls in the dark or finding something when I don’t want to wake my SO. In general I’ve always been into sound and I think a lot of people have better hearing than they think, but never learned to hear well. I find it odd that we…

What do you consider good hearing skills to practice, except echolocating?

Listen to Morse code.

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Post by znpy »

This reminds me of a ted talk I had the pleasure to enjoy watching with a good friend while "intoxicated".

The talk's title is "Can we create new senses for humans?" by David Eagleman and is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1lqFXHvqI

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Post by arthurcolle »

DenisM wrote: post #29
yesenadam wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Perfect pitch here) Hehe how is it "much more useful"? When I hear music, I simultaneously know what all the notes and chords are. That's what hearing music is for me. I can't imagine not having it, as an improvising musician. Hearing a note or chord without knowing exactly what is is?! People without it somehow manage, but it is like flying blind.

Bats fly blind tho.

This is false. Bats are not blind.

No bat species are blind. Microbats have poor visual acuity but their vision is on par with a human's.

Reference: Tuttle's work

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Post by Waterluvian »

tw1010 wrote: post #15

This article reminds me of how it felt to be on the internet as a child. It seemed like this magical place where around every corner there was hidden an alchemic recipe to achieve something magical, if only you knew how to search in the right places.

Well said. For me the 90s and early 2000s internet was completely magical. My fondest memories of my teens was finally having a computer in my room and the freedom to stay up late and explore the online universe. I met a lot of people and saw the advent of a lot of new things.

I wonder if that's going to happen for my kids. Today's internet feels so highly commercialized. All the new exciting discoveries are in the form of profit-driven silicon valley products with no humanity or soul.

I may very well be wrong. This is all emotion based and I really don't have concrete evidence. I'm probably falling into a fit of nostalgia.

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

Waterluvian wrote: post #35
tw1010 wrote: post #15

This article reminds me of how it felt to be on the internet as a child. It seemed like this magical place where around every corner there was hidden an alchemic recipe to achieve something magical, if only you knew how to search in the right places.

Well said. For me the 90s and early 2000s internet was completely magical. My fondest memories of my teens was finally having a computer in my room and the freedom to stay up late and explore the online universe. I met a lot of people and saw the advent of a lot of new things. I wonder if that's going to happen for my kids. Today's internet feels so highly commercialized. All the new exciting discoveries are in the f…

The sad thing for me is that a lot of those strange, eclectic sites are still there, only they became really hard to find. Thanks to Google and other search engines prioritising recency and Brands (with a capital) in all results, the eclectic is penalised to the point of near invisibility.

There was never a point to them, but they were hugely interesting. Today there's no point bothering as it would be gone forever a month after posted to twitter or a Facebook group now bloody everything has to have a stream or timeline. So akin to a chilling effect it invisibly promotes things that have releases. Products.

Nostalgia is some of it I'm sure, but I really do think there's something more concrete there too.

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Post by mycall »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #36
Waterluvian wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said. For me the 90s and early 2000s internet was completely magical. My fondest memories of my teens was finally having a computer in my room and the freedom to stay up late and explore the online universe. I met a lot of people and saw the advent of a lot of new things. I wonder if that's going to happen for my kids. Today's internet feels so highly commercialized. All the new exciting discoveries are in the f…

The sad thing for me is that a lot of those strange, eclectic sites are still there, only they became really hard to find. Thanks to Google and other search engines prioritising recency and Brands (with a capital) in all results, the eclectic is penalised to the point of near invisibility. There was never a point to them, but they were hugely interesting. Today there's no point bothering as it would be gone forever a…

Which are your favorites?

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Post by DenisM »

arthurcolle wrote: post #34
DenisM wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bats fly blind tho.

This is false. Bats are not blind. No bat species are blind. Microbats have poor visual acuity but their vision is on par with a human's. Reference: Tuttle's work

And that's what I get for relying on "blind as a bat" folklore without checking it.

Thank you.

I must now ascertain the veracity of the “as poor as a church mouse” trope.

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Post by pessimizer »

The fact that blind people make decisions based on active echolocation without realizing that's what they're doing is IMO one of the great arguments against the idea that we're particularly knowledgeable about our own conscious thought processes.

How Well Do We Know Our Own Conscious Experience? The Case of Human Echolocation by Eric Schwitzgebel and Michael S. Gordon

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/SchwitzAbs/Echo.htm

been obsessed with this paper since it came out.

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