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Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Maniac is a prestige show.

Maniac is a premium-mediocre show.

Kung Fury meets Black Mirror?

Has anyone watched the Norwegian original? Is it better or worse?

I assume the Norwegian writing is not influenced by an algorithm?

https://www.gq.com/story/cary-fukunaga-netflix-maniac

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Given the quality of big budget films like The Last Jedi and The Predator, I would say they have attacked the wrong target. Or maybe the battle has already been won.

The Last Jedi was pretty pretty good to me.

It had a lot of special effects, that’s all I can say about this movie. Most people seem to have forgotten about the plot as soon as they stepped out of the theater.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maniac is a premium-mediocre show.

Kung Fury meets Black Mirror? Has anyone watched the Norwegian original? Is it better or worse? I assume the Norwegian writing is not influenced by an algorithm? https://www.gq.com/story/cary-fukunaga-netflix-maniac

I would love to watch the original. One of the differences that I did read about stated that in the Norwegian show, many of the jokes are made at the expense of the character's mental illnesses. The writers for Netflix made a conscious effort to instead have the comedy come from other sources and to try to be more respectful of mental illness in general.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Last Jedi was pretty pretty good to me.

It had a lot of special effects, that’s all I can say about this movie. Most people seem to have forgotten about the plot as soon as they stepped out of the theater.

I liked the story, the houmour and the characters. Can't wait for continuation.

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Most of these shows are junk. If you don't like comic books or dark murder based series you're not too happy with Netflix these days. It's going to be one big ABC now. What do you expect when you hire one person to churn out seven shows at once? Where's the creative risk taking? Shonda Rhimes? Ugh.

You're not wrong. I think a major issue is a lack of talented writers. A large number of show, like the Netflix Originals, seems to have a good idea for one season. When season two comes around it's clear that the creators/writers just had ideas for one season and the quality of the show suffers.

The Marvel based shows Netflix produces just wants to capitalize on the success of the movies, but they couldn't secure the right to top tier super heros and they're struck with charters that can't carry multiple seasons.

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Translation: Hollywood was underpaying producers relative to the value they generated. Netflix saw an opportunity and signed deals with producers more in line with the value they generated. Because of this competition, Hollywood is now paying producers more. Sounds like an unequivocal good thing for film and television. Talented producers get paid more. More money is being invested in films and shows. Obviously, film…

It's a great thing for the real creative leader types. I've wondered if this would happen in software. Of course we are amazingly well off by the standards of most fields. I still feel based on the value we give companies that there is room for compensation to greatly increase. In the movie and tv biz, I think everything is basically unionized for regular crew and actors, so they have basic decent pay. Is there any d…

>In the movie and tv biz, I think everything is basically unionized for regular crew and actors, so they have basic decent pay. Is there any down side to this?

Well it seems like for average rank and file actors, directors have a lot of power of choice, which is how you end up with all the sexual harassment scandals that keep getting reported.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Translation: Hollywood was underpaying producers relative to the value they generated. Netflix saw an opportunity and signed deals with producers more in line with the value they generated. Because of this competition, Hollywood is now paying producers more. Sounds like an unequivocal good thing for film and television. Talented producers get paid more. More money is being invested in films and shows. Obviously, film…

Actually no. It’s a switch in the compensation model. Networks have traditionally paid producers using sizable backend deals. If the show does well they do well. Example: Larry David.

Netflix in contrast never does backend deals that way. It’s all laid up front. It actually means that Netflix shoulders the risk upfront.

So Networks are now simply switching to the upfront higher risk model where you eliminate backends and pay all upfront. You can’t say producers are “making more”, it’s just a different way to pay out. And again it’s a shift in risk management.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Translation: Hollywood was underpaying producers relative to the value they generated. Netflix saw an opportunity and signed deals with producers more in line with the value they generated. Because of this competition, Hollywood is now paying producers more. Sounds like an unequivocal good thing for film and television. Talented producers get paid more. More money is being invested in films and shows. Obviously, film…

Actually no. It’s a switch in the compensation model. Networks have traditionally paid producers using sizable backend deals. If the show does well they do well. Example: Larry David. Netflix in contrast never does backend deals that way. It’s all laid up front. It actually means that Netflix shoulders the risk upfront. So Networks are now simply switching to the upfront higher risk model where you eliminate backends…

We know that Hollywood cheats on the backend deals anyways in a philosophy known as "Hollywood accounting", so good on Netflix for offering straight deals not subject to the lying and cheating that Hollywood is known for via their accounting.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It had a lot of special effects, that’s all I can say about this movie. Most people seem to have forgotten about the plot as soon as they stepped out of the theater.

I liked the story, the houmour and the characters. Can't wait for continuation.

Huh, I hated it partially for not being very funny and the characters being generally unlikable (and also just unbelievable in a weird way). It's cool how people can have so different opinions on it, are there any scenes in it you find particularly funny so I can pay close attention when I rewatch it?

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> “The increased volume at other places has worked in our favor,” says Casey Bloys, the head of programming at HBO. I do hope this is the case but I'm not convinced. Netflix's approach atm seems very strongly geared towards the middlebrow, which is perhaps the area their algorithms perform best. It's probably not very economical for them to target someone like me when there's still droves of people watching network T…

As Netflix streaming phases out more and more actual movies, in favor of their original content, I'm finding it exceedingly difficult to watch anything of reasonable quality. To the point that I've reupped my DVD plan to 3 movies at a time, it's the ONLY way to actually find anything worth watching. Stranger Things? Don't get me started. Great nostalgia, but a boring and recycled story.
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