Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship • Hacker News Board

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by 394549 » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:44 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #13

21 wrote: post #12

This is richly ironic. I had to check that this was not an article from The Onion. Will this tool bypass the censored Google that will be introduced in China? More likely it will automatically report the user to the Chinese government if used in China.

It probably won't even be available to Chinese users.

Maybe it will, but have a country-specific feature to report its users to the authorities. After all, gotta comply with those "local laws and regulations."

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by aikah » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:45 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #27

philip1209 wrote: post #19

These dual standards for censorship annoy me. Google on Venezuelan censoring: bad, fight it Google on Chinese censoring: complicit, support it

Google isn't the only big tech company to cave to China's demands

Google is one of these US tech companies claiming they have moral values in their code of conduct, using such words as "evil".

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by calimac » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:45 PM UTC

Shows that Schmidt and Cohen are continuing their decade plus track record of developing tech to control or insight populations to effect the change in government.

COHEN and Schmidt used tools in the Arab spring to manipulate the protestors to believe the majority of their their social network connections were protesting. Wikileaks has a trove of Cohen email to shine light on what he’s up to.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by jillesvangurp » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:46 PM UTC

Sounds like a good idea. Most users have so far very little control over android dns and using TLS sounds like a good idea in any case. Makes you wonder why this is not more widespread given that there are a lot of nasty attacks that involve dns hacks.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by msravi » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:48 PM UTC

Firefox 62 has DoH support enabled.

https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2018/06/01/improving-dns-pr...

Has been plenty useful getting around court -ordered clampdowns on torrent sites in India.

You can configure it to use any publicly known DoH server: https://github.com/curl/curl/wiki/DNS-over-HTTPS#publicly-av...

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by sharcerer » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:48 PM UTC

Belphemur wrote: post #3

I've been using Intra with my own DoH server for months already. It's stable and updated regulary: https://github.com/Jigsaw-Code/intra Also, if you're looking for a DoH server that block adverts, here is mine: https://dns.aaflalo.me/dns-query

Does your server allow Google Ads because honestly, I would feel like a hypocrite blocking their ads as those ads basically pay for what Jigsaw does. Just saying.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by malvosenior » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:49 PM UTC

bun_at_work wrote: post #29

philip1209 wrote: post #19

These dual standards for censorship annoy me. Google on Venezuelan censoring: bad, fight it Google on Chinese censoring: complicit, support it

Just a few things: 1) This tool is made by an Alphabet owned company (Jigsaw), not Google, another Alphabet owned company. The companies will have different missions, even if profits flow the same direction. 2) Venezuela doesn't have a huge market where Google is blocked by a nation-wide firewall. 3) China has a nation-wide firewall blocking any Google service, thereby forcing Google to negotiate how their service wo…

Can I ask you if you work for Google? If so you should probably disclose that because you post history makes this very much look like astroturfing.

Sorry for bringing this up (I never do that on HN) but this is just too questionable of a defense to be putting up.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by komali2 » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:49 PM UTC

thecatspaw wrote: post #25

elbracitosNIR wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop talking bad about Google? It’s against the site guidelines [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Ctrl F: "google" -> 0 results

Hahaha, that had to be deadpan humor.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by bubblethink » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:51 PM UTC

21 wrote: post #12

This is richly ironic. I had to check that this was not an article from The Onion. Will this tool bypass the censored Google that will be introduced in China? More likely it will automatically report the user to the Chinese government if used in China.

This is about preventing dns manipulation attacks. That assumes that a DNS server (like 8.8.8.8) is generally accessible, but an adversary is trying to manipulate the responses. In China, you anyway can't access regular global dns servers. You need to use official dns supported by the government. So the question of dns manipulation is moot.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by freewizard » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 2:52 PM UTC

philip1209 wrote: post #19

These dual standards for censorship annoy me. Google on Venezuelan censoring: bad, fight it Google on Chinese censoring: complicit, support it

Yes, dual standards because of dual internets. Alphabet is contributing to the trend of dual internets predicted by its own ex-CEO Eric Schmidt[1], "a Chinese-led internet and a non-Chinese internet led by America".

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/eric-schmidt-ex-google-ceo-p...