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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by zorpner »

sneak wrote: post #11
ben174 wrote: post #9

I have no doubt this is a direct result of the feedback in the hacker news thread. Googlers read our comments and take them seriously when there is true merit. Keep making noise folks, it matters.

The noise was a distraction; the noisy were complaining about sync, which the change did not enable without an additional consent, as always.

This is a strawman -- many, many people were aware that this change did not enable sync for existing accounts, and were concerned regardless. Matthew Green does an excellent job articulating all of the reasons why this is a terrible change, and specifically notes that sync is not among them: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2018/09/23/why-im-l...

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by eslaught »

ericabiz wrote: post #22
ben174 wrote: post #9

I have no doubt this is a direct result of the feedback in the hacker news thread. Googlers read our comments and take them seriously when there is true merit. Keep making noise folks, it matters.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

I don't know exactly what conditions are required to reproduce the bug, but it clearly does not apply to all rMBPs. I'm on a 15-inch 2016 rMBP and have been using Firefox on it successfully since I got it. Before that I spent a couple months on a 2013 rMBP, also no problems.

Edit: For people who want to compare notes: High Sierra 10.13.6, Firefox 62.0.2, resolution is set to "Default for display" (which I think does mean it's doing interpolation of some sort). Automatic graphics switching is enabled. I don't have any trouble watching YouTube videos.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by wyck »

It doesn't take long for the tide to turn when you compromise core values. Sugarcoating isn't going to work, I for one see your this trajectory as particularity troubling, if Google doesn't hold onto the reins of what little is left.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by briandear »

ericabiz wrote: post #22
ben174 wrote: post #9

I have no doubt this is a direct result of the feedback in the hacker news thread. Googlers read our comments and take them seriously when there is true merit. Keep making noise folks, it matters.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

It’s a bit ironic you use Facebook but won’t use Chrome.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#35

Post by ericabiz »

eslaught wrote: post #32
ericabiz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

I don't know exactly what conditions are required to reproduce the bug, but it clearly does not apply to all rMBPs. I'm on a 15-inch 2016 rMBP and have been using Firefox on it successfully since I got it. Before that I spent a couple months on a 2013 rMBP, also no problems. Edit: For people who want to compare notes: High Sierra 10.13.6, Firefox 62.0.2, resolution is set to "Default for display" (which I think does…

It happens when you set your rMBP display to "Scaled" in display preferences, which is what most developers do. (Edit to your edit: Try the "More Space" option in your display preferences! It's amazing.)

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by Meai »

kettlecorn wrote: post #23

Everyone seems to be arguing the utilitarian merit of this feature, but I just don't like what it signals for Google's approach to the web. They're building in features that integrate their browser into their web pages. As far as I'm aware no other major browser holder has done anything of that sort, but I'm probably missing some examples.

It does seem weird that this would be lauded. I want my browser to be completely independent of what I'm doing on the website because there is no telling what the browser might be doing on my OS and frankly if I want to sign into a website, I will. It's not any of my browser's business what I do on the websites I visit. This seems like a fundamental part of sandboxing but maybe other people don't see it that way.

I imagine more and more so called convenient features might come where Chrome can suddenly install entire Windows apps, clean my files, and replace my OS. Then again, why not. Who am I to tell Google how to compete, maybe they can replace Windows with something better by gradually bloating up Chrome into an OS inside an OS.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by satori99 »

paradite wrote: post #24
kryogen1c wrote: post #21

This is not attempting to fit user needs, this is an attempt to put out a PR fire and salvage quarterly earnings. I'm still leaving, maybe even more-so because of the false heartfelt "ok let's do it your way". I will not be patronized, we're not on the same team anymore.

I don't understand, the piece looks like it promises to address all the problems highlighted in the past few days in Chrome 70. Why are you saying it is a PR piece?

The problems were easily foreseeable, and they did it anyway.

Anyone who accepts this as "listening the users", and addressing the issues will likely get burned again in the future.

Google is a advertising company. Their customers are not their users, and therefore I think things are unlikely to change.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by blt »

eslaught wrote: post #32
ericabiz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

I don't know exactly what conditions are required to reproduce the bug, but it clearly does not apply to all rMBPs. I'm on a 15-inch 2016 rMBP and have been using Firefox on it successfully since I got it. Before that I spent a couple months on a 2013 rMBP, also no problems. Edit: For people who want to compare notes: High Sierra 10.13.6, Firefox 62.0.2, resolution is set to "Default for display" (which I think does…

I have my display set to "scaled". I get the worst slowdown when streaming videos. 2013 15" w/ Nvidia gpu.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by ericabiz »

briandear wrote: post #34
ericabiz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

It’s a bit ironic you use Facebook but won’t use Chrome.

Facebook is super relevant for our business. Not only do we advertise on there, but I also sit on Messenger and answer computer and phone repair questions from friends, and get tagged in "Help! My computer stopped working" types of posts. It drives good business to our repair shops.

Facebook has also replaced forums for our industry (cell phone/computer repair), so it's how we find out about the latest trends and innovations. Yesterday I used a document posted on a private FB group to fix 3 2011 15" MacBook Pros with failing GPUs (previously considered "unfixable.")

For the industry and business I'm in, there's no substitute.

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