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> China, Explained > BY BETHANY ALLEN-EBRAHIMIAN Wow. That's an incredible title to use on a subject that is so narrow in scope. Let's look at her other articles: https://foreignpolicy.com/author/bethany-allen-ebrahimian/ Seems pretty one-sided. And her twitter: https://twitter.com/BethanyAllenEbr Seems pretty one-sided as well. Just to be clear, I don't intend to personally attack her. Just pointing out the bias in…
start out with an overtly critical almost "ad hominem attack" position, include your own stance in the course of your argument and redirect sentiment-in this case trying to garner sympathy for yourself for being attacked as a wumao. you're either actually a wumao or are too afraid to actually take a reasoned stance. i had never heard of the term before this thread but makes sense, i'm reading a lot more content like…
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#32The closest I’ve seen to anything useful was Watson, and all it really offered was stuff we’ve been doing for years. I mean, we have 5 people working with data and building models, and Watson could maybe automate some of that, but you’d still need people to qualify what it came up with and build the things it didn’t.
We’ve run proof of concepts on stuff like traffic, and a small startup with a relationship with a university, build a route prediction thing that would make it easier to avoid jams. It worked, but it frankly didn’t work better than what our traffic department was already doing, using simple common sense. So we diverted the project to work on traffic light control for maximum flow, and it turned out that the settings our engineers had come up with were already optimal. Only our engineers had come up with the same results, using less resources.
I’m beginning to think of AI as mostly hype. It does have some uses, like for recognition. We use ML and image recognition to troll through millions of old case files for various purposes. We use speech recognition to help people with dyslexia.
But for analytics and prediction it’s been extremely useless compared to actual people.
I’d love to be convinced otherwise by the way. If it actually does something, I’d like to be on the forefront with it so I don’t have to play catch up when Deloitte sells it to the mayor. But I have to admit that after 5 years of AI bullshit bingo I’m one sales meeting away from labeling AI in the same category as blockchain.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> China, Explained > BY BETHANY ALLEN-EBRAHIMIAN Wow. That's an incredible title to use on a subject that is so narrow in scope. Let's look at her other articles: https://foreignpolicy.com/author/bethany-allen-ebrahimian/ Seems pretty one-sided. And her twitter: https://twitter.com/BethanyAllenEbr Seems pretty one-sided as well. Just to be clear, I don't intend to personally attack her. Just pointing out the bias in…
I think it a little funny that you are attacked for this. Personally I have a hate for China due to nationalistic reasons, perhaps unreasonably. But it is good to question the source of information. After all that is the idea of a free press, no? Should we not all question the source of the information to find bias? For myself overall, I would say fuck China.
Ask yourself if you have to worry about your love having all their organs after an act of civil disobedience. I have and do every night. I do not know how to state that in a way that is palatable.
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#36Reminds me of classic mechanical chess-playing turk illustrations. I was about to link it here, but all the search engines could come up using plain text search were links to Amazon's crowdsourcing thing and its competitors. We've really put the car before the horse in so many ways on the 'net, to stay with a metaphor from orientalism.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mechanical+turk&t=h_&iax=images&ia...
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#37Reminds me of classic mechanical chess-playing turk illustrations. I was about to link it here, but all the search engines could come up using plain text search were links to Amazon's crowdsourcing thing and its competitors. We've really put the car before the horse in so many ways on the 'net, to stay with a metaphor from orientalism.
The first 10 DuckDuckGo images are all about the chess playing turk: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mechanical+turk&t=h_&iax=images&ia...
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#38Being in the public sector, I have the joy of sitting in a lot of meetings with companies and consultants that want to sell us AI for analytics and prediction. I’m still unconvinced. The closest I’ve seen to anything useful was Watson, and all it really offered was stuff we’ve been doing for years. I mean, we have 5 people working with data and building models, and Watson could maybe automate some of that, but you’d…
On the other hand AI can be a powerful tool or assistant when humans are struggling with a task. AI that (for example) highlights all the suspicious places in an oncology image after an oncologist has had a look and labelled it as showing cancer could improve quality of outcome. I am deeply suspicious of people who want to chop the oncologist out though!
More prosaically prediction systems to estimate future customer churn, identify sales opportunities (or in the public service case demand for services and needs), future traffic flows, complex settings for complex devices (especially in the face of change), diagnostics of problems, reasoning over millions of records, are all valuable. Often the theme is "can we make a very narrow very specialist component that could come to the same conclusions that a reasonably smart three year old would if we could make her concentrate and do it millions of times". So a bit smart, very autistic, very fast.
What you will not do is create value from consultancy and procurement; you need to build a capability to get the value, and that is a slow, expensive and strategic game - think 4 high cost (but don't be bullshitted there are great people who will work for reasonable amounts out there so long as you don't expect them to be slaves and make bombs or crash the financial system - think doctor or lawyer cost and recruit with the support of your uni) fte for three years.
If that is too expensive then I think it's going to be a waste of your time for now, and your current stance of sceptical openness is the right thing to do - eventually someone will come with a convincing shrink wrapped offer that is right for your domains, at the right price - then all is good.
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#40A poorly-kept secret in Silicon Valley is that many "AI startups" started over the last few years are actually using humans, with a long-term plan to slowly decrease the amount of work the humans do using algorithms (generally based on machine learning, but not always) as well as more basic automation. In some cases they don't actually do any "AI" work for the company's first few years, and if they do, it's more like…
Delusional; if it's really hard to get it to work then it's really hard to get it to work; investors should not believe "if only we get the data"
>(B) the company can prove there's commercially significant demand for the user experience that they hope to be able to eventually do with some algorithms/AI technology, and thus can attract investor capital for making the thing actually work (potentially years later). In some cases, the human-powered product might actually be really good, and the economics might work in.
Delusional - if the economics work then everyone would be doing it, there's no money in it, the investors should only invest if they understand that rooms full of transcribers will be needed - with all the management, recruitment and security issues that brings.
This is what the last wave of voicemail transcription companies tried; they all went bust with scores of millions of loss. Be warned.