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Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by crottypeter »

pjc50 wrote: post #10
wongarsu wrote: post #2

I sympathise with the consumer associations: charging for largish hand luggage makes price comparisons deceptive, distorting the market. On the other hand, storing hand luggage overhead is one of the most time consuming parts of the boarding process, which is even worse with Ryanair's short intereuropean flights. All that time spent on hand luggage costs money, and it seems only fair to make those pay that cause the…

The only reason people store so much hand luggage is that the airlines charge for checked baggage. This wasn't always the case. > offer a discount if you show up without hand luggage Realistically, how many such people are there going to be who are travelling without a change of clothes? And if they win on this one, where's next on the slippery slope? Differential pricing for handbags and laptop bags? Could they mayb…

> The only reason people store so much hand luggage is that the airlines charge for checked baggage.

I don't think this is true. Frequent flyers always tell me the purpose of a large carry-on is so you don't waste time at the baggage reclaim at the destination. This makes sense to me because that can often be 30+ minutes.

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by arkades »

lorenzobr wrote: post #18
gaius wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

use a different airline. The market is extremely competitive. Ryanair is the only airline to certain destinations no matter how much you are willing to pay. And they have form for manipulation. For a long time if you wanted to opt out of their insurance, you had to set that as your nationality...

> Ryanair is the only airline to certain destinations Surely it's not Ryanair's fault if others are not willing to compete for certain destinations.

> it’s a very competitive market

> it’s not their fault there’s no competition

Perhaps you could rephrase your rebuttal? It doesn’t quite make sense as I am interpreting it.

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by rsynnott »

pjc50 wrote: post #10
wongarsu wrote: post #2

I sympathise with the consumer associations: charging for largish hand luggage makes price comparisons deceptive, distorting the market. On the other hand, storing hand luggage overhead is one of the most time consuming parts of the boarding process, which is even worse with Ryanair's short intereuropean flights. All that time spent on hand luggage costs money, and it seems only fair to make those pay that cause the…

The only reason people store so much hand luggage is that the airlines charge for checked baggage. This wasn't always the case. > offer a discount if you show up without hand luggage Realistically, how many such people are there going to be who are travelling without a change of clothes? And if they win on this one, where's next on the slippery slope? Differential pricing for handbags and laptop bags? Could they mayb…

I’d occasionally fly Dublin to London for one night (even once or twice over and back in a day, but I try to avoid that because it’s awful). I’d only take a bag that fits under the seat.

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by dhimes »

bumholio wrote: post #15
pjc50 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason people store so much hand luggage is that the airlines charge for checked baggage. This wasn't always the case. > offer a discount if you show up without hand luggage Realistically, how many such people are there going to be who are travelling without a change of clothes? And if they win on this one, where's next on the slippery slope? Differential pricing for handbags and laptop bags? Could they mayb…

You aren't going without any luggage, but just what you can fit behind the seat in front - and you can fit multiple change of clothes there, I assure you.

Some of us have pants the size of boat covers.

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

jMyles wrote: post #28
close04 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t this like McDonalds advertising the cheapest burger but only giving you an empty bun because the meat patty is the most time consuming part of the cooking process? There’s already too much misdirection in airline ticket sales, we need less not more.

If many people desire only the empty bun (gag me) then it's not so insane to show a price for that. I was on a Ryanair flight last month from Malaga to Berlin; less than half (a lot less) had overhead luggage.

Did they check baggage or not carry any?

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by dagw »

pjc50 wrote: post #10
wongarsu wrote: post #2

I sympathise with the consumer associations: charging for largish hand luggage makes price comparisons deceptive, distorting the market. On the other hand, storing hand luggage overhead is one of the most time consuming parts of the boarding process, which is even worse with Ryanair's short intereuropean flights. All that time spent on hand luggage costs money, and it seems only fair to make those pay that cause the…

The only reason people store so much hand luggage is that the airlines charge for checked baggage. This wasn't always the case. > offer a discount if you show up without hand luggage Realistically, how many such people are there going to be who are travelling without a change of clothes? And if they win on this one, where's next on the slippery slope? Differential pricing for handbags and laptop bags? Could they mayb…

The only reason people store so much hand luggage is that the airlines charge for checked baggage

I try to fly with only hand luggage even when checking in luggage is free since it makes the the check in process slightly faster, saves me having to spend half an hour waiting for my luggage at the other end, means I have my luggage if my connecting flight gets re-routed or cancelled and makes it much more unlikely that my luggage gets lost along the way.

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by rsynnott »

raverbashing wrote: post #6
wongarsu wrote: post #2

I sympathise with the consumer associations: charging for largish hand luggage makes price comparisons deceptive, distorting the market. On the other hand, storing hand luggage overhead is one of the most time consuming parts of the boarding process, which is even worse with Ryanair's short intereuropean flights. All that time spent on hand luggage costs money, and it seems only fair to make those pay that cause the…

> incentivizing people to take less luggage (bags that can be stored under your seat are still free) So how far and for how long do you think someone can fly with a luggage that fits under their seat? You can't honestly say you're selling a transportation service and let people take almost no luggage. If a fee is unavoidable, then it's not a fee, it's part of the price.

A lot of Ryanair’s business is weekend trips and lower budget business travel. These aren’t long-haul flights.

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by ghaff »

pjc50 wrote: post #10
wongarsu wrote: post #2

I sympathise with the consumer associations: charging for largish hand luggage makes price comparisons deceptive, distorting the market. On the other hand, storing hand luggage overhead is one of the most time consuming parts of the boarding process, which is even worse with Ryanair's short intereuropean flights. All that time spent on hand luggage costs money, and it seems only fair to make those pay that cause the…

The only reason people store so much hand luggage is that the airlines charge for checked baggage. This wasn't always the case. > offer a discount if you show up without hand luggage Realistically, how many such people are there going to be who are travelling without a change of clothes? And if they win on this one, where's next on the slippery slope? Differential pricing for handbags and laptop bags? Could they mayb…

No.

A lot of everhead luggage space issues are caused by the ubiquitous roll-aboards that so many business travelers in particular use. And business travelers typically don’t pay for checked luggage either because it’s free because of their airline status or because they expense it. They just don’t want to wait for luggage or deal with the hassle of delayed luggage.

I almost never check luggage. (I also use soft bags without wheels for carryon.) But I get 2 checked bags for free on my primary airline.

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by rsynnott »

gaius wrote: post #9
bumholio wrote: post #4

Firstly, travelers are consenting adults that should understand and accept the baggage policy - or use a different airline. The market is extremely competitive. Secondly, as a person who has traveled backpack for years, I find the whole "luggage is an essential element of air transport" line quite offensive. It's a service I want to purchase but you won't let me because some guy might be confused by a price compariso…

use a different airline. The market is extremely competitive. Ryanair is the only airline to certain destinations no matter how much you are willing to pay. And they have form for manipulation. For a long time if you wanted to opt out of their insurance, you had to set that as your nationality...

Really? Where? I don’t doubt there are one or two, but most of their routes seem to be similar to the national carriers (though often to a different airport).

Re: Italy opens probe into Ryanair hand luggage charges

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Post by ghaff »

raverbashing wrote: post #20
CaptainZapp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how far and for how long do you think someone can fly with a luggage that fits under their seat? I can't speak for everyone (and are probably an exception, since even for a 3 week vacation my luggage never exceeds 15kg). But I can easily go for a very long weekend (up to a week) with the contents of a small duffle bag that easily fits under the seat. Which means a fresh t-shirt, underwear and socks for the entire…

I agree this is doable for a long weekend, but that's if you take only that and you have everything in one bag. Seems more of an edge case than the standard. Especially with limitation of liquids in handbags.

Liquids really don’t need to be a big issue. All my toiletries are in a 1 qt. Ziplock even for 2 or 3 week trips. I know some people carry a lot more than that but it’s often not needed.
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