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Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by comboy »

jackhack wrote: post #21
snaky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that don't sell physical goods don't have much choice too. > A prototype search engine that Google is designing to meet the scrutiny of Chinese officials links users’ phone numbers to the searches they perform > This report adds to earlier news, also broken by The Intercept about the search engine, codenamed “Dragonfly,” which eliminates from results a number of terms and topics, like freedom and democracy.…

I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.

Do note, that based on those quotes it is not clear that backdoors requested by the US gov are not installed in the US. He just said they don't install any of them globally.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by snaky »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #20
snaky wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To print all the chips on your own mini-fab - maybe. Eventually.

But your mini-fab might be backdoored and create chips with backdoors.

That's harder thing to do on every iteration down to the first principles. So in theory you maybe could do the hammer, which is made so as to specifically clog nails with a deviation of 5.2 degrees to the left, which leads to the light bulbs distortions in the chip designer room which eventually leads to particular backdoor in the chip he designed - but this is really hard.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by claydavisss »

HenryBemis wrote: post #22
claydavisss wrote: post #6

Meanwhile in the US we also have a long history of monitoring internet traffic, installing backdoors and allowing private third-parties to filter what we see online. Where do we get off critiquing the PRC? We should clean our own house first.

Last I checked, in the EU or the USA you don't disappear in the middle of the night never to be seen again because you are: -follower of different religion -saying the word "democracy" -critisizing a politician/the government so yes, first things first.

You're moving the goalposts with a strawman. We are no better than anyone else when it comes to information privacy, which is the thrust of this article.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by claydavisss »

greymeister wrote: post #19

I'm sure they have plenty of examples to go by, all they need to do is consult Yahoo, Google or any of the telecoms for good strategies. I guess on the plus side at least we know now that it is happening despite the lies the Federal government told us. I worry that as bad as it is for whistle blowers in the US what chance does China have?

Exactly. HN is great at armchair-quarterbacking the PRC but is too busy fawning over US tech corps to see the parallels.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by snaky »

jackhack wrote: post #21
snaky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that don't sell physical goods don't have much choice too. > A prototype search engine that Google is designing to meet the scrutiny of Chinese officials links users’ phone numbers to the searches they perform > This report adds to earlier news, also broken by The Intercept about the search engine, codenamed “Dragonfly,” which eliminates from results a number of terms and topics, like freedom and democracy.…

I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.

And then go to filtering the "fake news" out, saying "yes" to 'progressive' regimes? Because there is a strict difference between Good and Bad censorship and tracking, right?

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by claydavisss »

jackhack wrote: post #21
snaky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that don't sell physical goods don't have much choice too. > A prototype search engine that Google is designing to meet the scrutiny of Chinese officials links users’ phone numbers to the searches they perform > This report adds to earlier news, also broken by The Intercept about the search engine, codenamed “Dragonfly,” which eliminates from results a number of terms and topics, like freedom and democracy.…

I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.

How many times has Google or Facebook rejected a subpoena to turn over a user's data?

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by mc32 »

reaperducer wrote: post #35

Maybe this will finally make Apple rethink its manufacturing. It can either be the bastion of freedom in consumer electronics, as it likes to brag, or not. Time to decide.

It doesn’t seem this would mske a diff: exports outside of China would not be affected (indifferent) imports into China would still require this regardless of mfg origin.

Their only option is to not sell in that market —which seems highly unlikely.

Re: Lenovo: Companies working in China may have to install local backdoors

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Post by close04 »

comboy wrote: post #31
jackhack wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they have plenty of choice. They can say "no", tell these regressive regimes to go to hell, and simply not manufacture/sell their product there, where-ever "there" may be.

Do note, that based on those quotes it is not clear that backdoors requested by the US gov are not installed in the US. He just said they don't install any of them globally.

You're going to be spied on one way or another. I guess it's a matter of picking the side you want to make life easier for. The one you trust more with your data :).
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