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Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by will_brown »

jchw wrote: post #28
will_brown wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Google is COPPA compliant and will not let children, without parental consent, sign up for things on their own. How does Google do that? By having a 13 year old agree to Terms and Conditions/EULA (a legal contract), that the child has no legal authority to enter, which states the child obtained legal consent from the parents?

By not allowing them to do so on their own.

What’s the system/mechanism that doesn’t “allow” them to do it on their own. A legal disclaimer? That isn’t sufficient, You can’t contract around the law. In other words a minor can’t enter a contract, therefore, I can’t contract with a minor and include a provision that says the minor isn’t a minor and if they are then they got parental consent.

Google is the master of information. It would strike me if any company knew or should have known a user signing up for their service is a minor it should be them. Google literally makes it available to minors to agree to these contracts, so when you say google doesn’t allow them to...what do you really mean?

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by yorwba »

will_brown wrote: post #31
jchw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By not allowing them to do so on their own.

What’s the system/mechanism that doesn’t “allow” them to do it on their own. A legal disclaimer? That isn’t sufficient, You can’t contract around the law. In other words a minor can’t enter a contract, therefore, I can’t contract with a minor and include a provision that says the minor isn’t a minor and if they are then they got parental consent. Google is the master of information. It would strike me if any company…

According to https://support.google.com/families/answer/7103338#signup_fe... the verification mechanism is to use a credit card, which is one of the methods listed as "reasonably calculated" under point H.4 of this FAQ https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com...

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by will_brown »

yorwba wrote: post #30
will_brown wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s cute but not at all how contract Law works. Minors don’t have legal authority to enter into contracts, Google can’t claim (at least it’s not a legal defense) they were defrauded by a minor for agreeing to their contract that expressly states the minor will get their parents consent or permission. The burden is on Google. Google would be liable for collecting data on the minor in violation of law, notwithstandi…

According to this FTC site https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/chi... You’re covered by COPPA if: - Your website or online service is directed to children under 13 and collects personal information from them; - Your website or online service is directed to a general audience, but you have “actual knowledge” you’re collecting personal information from a child under 13; or - You run a third-party s…

The law only provides if the child answered and acknowledged they are a minor that Google has “actual knowledge” in law that does != google does not have actual knowledge if the minor lied or didn’t answer. It’s simply a matter of the burden of proof, but in either case I think the evidence will be there that Google knew or should have known the user was/is a minor.

COPPA also requires “verifiable” consent of the minor’s parents...is a check box really verifiable consent? How can Even Google claim they verified who checked the consent box?

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by drdaeman »

Rjevski wrote: post #19
Lifesnoozer wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The texting app might not be iMessage

It was most likely WhatsApp, which as far as I know allows backing up to Google Drive.

iOS WhatsApp backs up to iCloud. Don't see any Google Drive option.

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by PascLeRasc »

Lifesnoozer wrote: post #18
RandallBrown wrote: post #13

> “My voice to text was being stored as well as any search my kids did, and I could say ‘sure my daughter was searching on Google,’ but my phone uses Safari. When I used my texting app on my iPhone, it recorded my voice, as well as typing out the words and saving it on my Google Drive,” said Brette Hay, the Ely’s daughter and a teacher at Pershing Middle School. If it's possible to get voice recordings out of the iMe…

The texting app might not be iMessage

Could be Hangouts, but I can't imagine the type of baby boomer who's making this claim using it.

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by kerng »

zenexer wrote: post #27

This sounds like someone who doesn’t have an understanding of how the services they’re using are designed to interact with each other. This is a problem, but it’s not specific to Google: it’s difficult, if not impossible, to ensure that your average user actually understands how these services are meant to work. As the user starts to realize how integrated these services really are, it causes a level of confusion and…

Parents complain about auto-sync of passwords, and browser history, past searches and things like that. They would like more control of what's stored/synced by default. It's not as benign as you describe it, especially when it comes to children.

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by GlenTheMachine »

The academic Google Drive does some weird stuff. I let my daughter access her school's G-Suite on my work laptop once last year. For weeks afterwards whenever I tried to surf to certain websites I would automatically get redirected to the school's web logon page. Which tells me that at the very least some Google software was tracking my web usage.

I basically had to do a full reinstall of the browser to stop it. It wasn't a case where she didn't log out.

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by chrismeller »

GlenTheMachine wrote: post #37

The academic Google Drive does some weird stuff. I let my daughter access her school's G-Suite on my work laptop once last year. For weeks afterwards whenever I tried to surf to certain websites I would automatically get redirected to the school's web logon page. Which tells me that at the very least some Google software was tracking my web usage. I basically had to do a full reinstall of the browser to stop it. It w…

So it set a cookie that indicated that on Google properties it should redirect you to the right place to log in, not take you to the main Google login?

I mean maybe it's not as clear as it should be, and maybe it should remove that cookie if you log out (ehhh...), and it should probably be easier to get rid of all of that... but we're hardly talking the conspiracy of the decade here.

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by will_brown »

yorwba wrote: post #32
will_brown wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the system/mechanism that doesn’t “allow” them to do it on their own. A legal disclaimer? That isn’t sufficient, You can’t contract around the law. In other words a minor can’t enter a contract, therefore, I can’t contract with a minor and include a provision that says the minor isn’t a minor and if they are then they got parental consent. Google is the master of information. It would strike me if any company…

According to https://support.google.com/families/answer/7103338#signup_fe... the verification mechanism is to use a credit card, which is one of the methods listed as "reasonably calculated" under point H.4 of this FAQ https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com...

It’s clever of Google to tie verification to the parents credit card...of course in practice, in no way does that serve as actual verification a minor has consent of the parent to sign up for the Google service (I think we saw this is in enough cases with minors making in app purchases with parents credit card thru the App Store) but surely it places the parent in an unenviable position to make a claim Google unlawfully collected information on their child without parental consent even when true.

Re: What’s stored in a school Google Drive account?

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Post by fergbrain »

drdaeman wrote: post #34
Rjevski wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was most likely WhatsApp, which as far as I know allows backing up to Google Drive.

iOS WhatsApp backs up to iCloud. Don't see any Google Drive option.

Correct, it’s an Android-only option: https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/android/28000019/?category=52452...
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