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Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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That is all very well and I really appreciate Apple's long support for iPhones, but Apple did popularize firmly bonded batteries in its phones and even in notebooks. A battery is a wear part and should be easy to replace. Every thing else leads to more waste.

I do not necessarily disagree about the fact that batteries should be easily replaceable. On the other hand, I do not think that Apple's motivation was pure greed: if you make the battery an easily replaceable part you also need to encase it in a shell, and make it robust enough that even untrained users can safely handle these. This means that you have to make it bigger (externally) sacrificing actual internal volum…

The Galaxy S5 (and previous models) has a removable back (just needs a fingernail) that gives access to the battery (which also requires only a fingernail). These batteries are not so incredibly hazardous that they need a shell - I've opened up other devices with bonded batteries and their battery packs are not so much easier to damage that an "untrained user" is at risk of severe injury.

The battery cells are designed to be fairly robust - punctured a Kindle battery during a screen repair (friends roommate came home drunk, bumped into the table while I was picking away at the glue) and there was a very brief tiny poof of smoke and nothing else. If the battery hadn't been glued, that situation would have been impossible.

I also don't recall seeing any news articles back in the days of near universal user swappable batteries about widespread incidences of users being injured by swapping phone batteries.

It's also less likely you will damage a battery if you just have to undo a couple screws instead of sitting there with a heat gun, from a repair tech perspective - but I've only seen batteries held down by screws in unibody laptops.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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The original iPad also had OS updates discontinued incredibly quickly.

When Apple no longer supports a device, the boot loafers should be unlocked so they can be reflagged. This should be a requirement for all hardware.

At least let me roll back to old software version. I have 4S which is unusable and locked on iOS 9. It's not like it's secure today, so just let me get back to iOS 6 and have at least fast phone.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Yes but iOS 11 was really slow. Does it run faster than iOS 6?

That is an incredibly unfair and ignorant question. No, of course not, there are more, compute heavy, features and it's not worth it to spend huge amounts of time to support a phone you're no longer selling.

> it's not worth it to spend huge amounts of time to support a phone you're no longer selling

Unfortunately, without the newer versions of the iOS the phone loses functionalities pretty quickly (the apps will require newer versions of iOS), which, quite conveniently for Apple, will make you need to buy a new one. Aka planned obsolescence.

But kudos for getting at least one version of iOS to perform better than the last one (if that's true). That would be awesome if they actually kept this as a long-term trend.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…

> How easy is it for end-users to replace the battery in that off-warranty 5S? Oh. I see. I did it in about 45 minutes the first time, and could do another in 20-30 minutes pretty easily. It's now a 5-year old phone. 10 minutes labor per year is OK in my book. How easy is it for end-users to replace the clutch in that off-warranty Civic? For that matter, how many people even change their own brakes (one of the easies…

The 5 series and SE phones are pretty easy to repair indeed. I've replaced a screen and battery with no experience, a few tools from ifixit and a youtube video without much hassle. It's gone pretty downhill from there with the iphone 6. Especially because the screens are much more intricate.

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>Hey, it's great that they managed to get iOS 12 to run on a 5S. It probably runs like an absolute dog, but it runs! People are actually reporting that iOS 12 runs faster than iOS 11.

Yes but iOS 11 was really slow. Does it run faster than iOS 6?

From my experience iOS runs quite decently on 5S and on 6, my current phone.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Real talk here : what makes an iPhone slow after 2 years? - the battery aging? - the apps using more ressources than before? - the newer OS version using more ressources than before? I've started using my old Android phone again after it being unused 3 years (Nexus 4), the apps are extremely slow now, the camera takes forever to open : what's going on? Computers don't age as much

Optimisation, Apple only ever seems to have optimisation turned on / tested on their latest release of iPhone. So whenever there is a new iOS, it felt insanely great on your latest iPhone, but felt like a step backwards in older iPhone. Although they generally put back whatever optimisation they have in stages of iOS point release.

Having these optimisation and software targeting latest iPhone also means Software aren't as well tested in previous iPhone hardware with less memory. We now have iPhone that spans from 2GB Memory to 4GB.

Apps are also increasingly more resources hog.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Tell that to the person/people in charge of the lightning port and headphone jack on the iPhone.

I know headphone jacks are no longer on Apple's radar, but they always seem to get messed up after a year so that the stock iPhone headphones are not recognised and thus the control buttons don't work.

However, the lightning port drives me mad because the blasted device won't charge up properly without me fiddling with angles and pressure for that goldilocks zone. It just sits there vibrating away in a charging/not-charging loop. One assumes it's the cable but that makes no difference.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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The original iPad also had OS updates discontinued incredibly quickly.

When Apple no longer supports a device, the boot loafers should be unlocked so they can be reflagged. This should be a requirement for all hardware.

Your post has a delightful typo.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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> How easy is it for end-users to replace the battery in that off-warranty 5S? Oh. I see. I did it in about 45 minutes the first time, and could do another in 20-30 minutes pretty easily. It's now a 5-year old phone. 10 minutes labor per year is OK in my book. How easy is it for end-users to replace the clutch in that off-warranty Civic? For that matter, how many people even change their own brakes (one of the easies…

The 5 series and SE phones are pretty easy to repair indeed. I've replaced a screen and battery with no experience, a few tools from ifixit and a youtube video without much hassle. It's gone pretty downhill from there with the iphone 6. Especially because the screens are much more intricate.

The later phones are still under the Apple $29 battery replacement program I think. I'd leave those to Apple.

If an end-user doesn't want to do their 5/5S/SE on their own, there are kiosks in nearly every mall that will do it for you in an hour or so.

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