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Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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Re: Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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If alcohol was brand new, it likely would be a scheduled drug and very well controlled. It’s only allowed because it’s very old and well integrated to some societies.

Fermentation of grains and fruit is a millennia-old way of preserving food that would otherwise spoil, so it isn’t without merit. The problem today is that alcohol is available so easily and so cheaply in many countries. In Germany, (some) beer costs less than regular milk per liter and hard liquor is available very cheaply as well. I have seen people that destroyed themselves using alcohol, but most people can deal…

Fermentation and alcohol for consumption are quite different, as you’re probably aware. My kombucha is technically fermented, but good luck getting drunk on it. There is also a sizable difference between more traditional forms of alcohol and cheap high proof spirits harm wise.

Plus since this is a counterfactual, we don't actually need alcohol for preservation anymore. We have refrigeration.

The bit about Germany and beer is merely observational bias. You can’t imagine those countries differently because that’s the way things are for your lifetime. I’m sure in an alternative universe there’s someone talking about German weed culture, or German poppy culture.

Either way, alcohol clearly isn’t going away, and trying to make it go away is foolish. The point is that we’ve normalized a very dangerous compound due to historical reasons, and it’s fascinating.

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> It disgusts me that the stuff is illegal while cigarettes and alcohol Alcohol and cigarettes are not really comparable to MDMA, and I just wanted to make that point. Marijuana? Sure, in much the same category, probably safer. MDMA is a whole different class of chemical.

Of course they're not comparable because MDMA is much, much safer than either alcohol or cigarettes. We're talking millions of deaths a year for alcohol and cigarettes vs. a few isolated deaths with MDMA. Socially, there is no comparison or doubt which of the three is the worst: alcohol by far. Can you even find an instance of domestic abuse or murder facilitated by MDMA? I could find a whole bunch that happened just…

I can have a beer every night for the rest of my life and experience little to no permanent effects. Long term MDMA use on the other hand has been shown to cause "marked neurodegeneration in striatal, hippocampal, prefrontal, and occipital serotonergic axon terminals. Neurotoxic damage to serotonergic axon terminals has been shown to persist for more than two years."

Re: Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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If alcohol was brand new, it likely would be a scheduled drug and very well controlled. It’s only allowed because it’s very old and well integrated to some societies.

Well, also the fact that you can make it in a bathtub.

I agree that trying to ban alcohol would be a huge mistake. But to be fair on the feasibility of a hypothetical ban, America has spent almost half a century trying to prevent its citizens from growing a plant.

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Pretty much any drug can be extremely dangerous. I see this response often (and I’m not critzizing you here) but look: painkillers, right? Given all the time. Can be EXTREMELY dangerous. Alcohol: CAN BE extremely dangerous. Millions of people die a year in alcohol related death. Nicotine: dangerous. Blood pressure medication: can be dangerous. Birth control pills...also dangerous. Drugs are freaking dangerous. Anythi…

Yes but MDMA specifically will mangle your brain after very little recreational usage relative to almost all other drugs. Recreational use of MDMA a few times a week is _very bad_ on the long term health of your brain, very few other drugs are on that level — certainly none of the drugs you’ve listed.

Sorry but few times a week is not recreational anymore. your brain needs rest for some months to rebuild/rest the receptors. truly these substances are controlled because they need little to get an overdose (at least in developed countries). It is a risk prevention measure because not everybody has the iq of 100

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MDMA can be extremely dangerous to your long term mental health. I'm not saying it doesn't have valid medical benefits, it certainly seems to, but if you consumed MDMA at any where near the frequency it is safe to consume alcohol it would not go well. Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legal, but lets not pretend it is comparable to alcohol. Edit: TL;DR MDMA probably has incredible medical benefits, but this do…

yes, long-term effects of alcohol are much worse, mostly because it damages the body as well as the brain, is used in larger amounts and through longer periods. Meanwhile people who have used MDMA at parties when young (and then stop using it, as most will) will have mostly no noticeable adverse long-term effects. Now of course if you consumed alcohol at anywhere near the frequency you consume water that wouldn't be…

"but if you consumed MDMA at any where near the frequency it is safe to consume alcohol it would not go well"

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yes, long-term effects of alcohol are much worse, mostly because it damages the body as well as the brain, is used in larger amounts and through longer periods. Meanwhile people who have used MDMA at parties when young (and then stop using it, as most will) will have mostly no noticeable adverse long-term effects. Now of course if you consumed alcohol at anywhere near the frequency you consume water that wouldn't be…

"but if you consumed MDMA at any where near the frequency it is safe to consume alcohol it would not go well"

If you consume 20 joints of marijuana a day it won't go well either compared to tobacco. But nobody does that (I mean few do).

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Yes but MDMA specifically will mangle your brain after very little recreational usage relative to almost all other drugs. Recreational use of MDMA a few times a week is _very bad_ on the long term health of your brain, very few other drugs are on that level — certainly none of the drugs you’ve listed.

Sorry but few times a week is not recreational anymore. your brain needs rest for some months to rebuild/rest the receptors. truly these substances are controlled because they need little to get an overdose (at least in developed countries). It is a risk prevention measure because not everybody has the iq of 100

Recreational usage is not relative to the substance, it’s dependent on behaviour. If you’re dependent on a substance (whether that’s physically dependent or mentally) you’re no longer a recreational user but if you’re using something frequently or infrequently for enjoyment then you are a recreational user — regardless of whether or not that substance is safe to use at your chosen frequency.

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MDMA can be extremely dangerous to your long term mental health. I'm not saying it doesn't have valid medical benefits, it certainly seems to, but if you consumed MDMA at any where near the frequency it is safe to consume alcohol it would not go well. Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legal, but lets not pretend it is comparable to alcohol. Edit: TL;DR MDMA probably has incredible medical benefits, but this do…

What frequency is it safe to consume alcohol at? Last I checked, never, unless of course you want to cite studies funded by the alcohol industry. Your opinion is that MDMA is worse than alcohol. I don't even think it's in the same league. In my opinion and extensive experience talking with addicts, alcohol is by far the most destructive drug, worse than heroin (and other opiates/opioids) and even methamphetamine. It…

Indeed, a relative of mine recently died of oral cancer, which was thought to be caused by moderate drinking.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, long-term effects of alcohol are much worse, mostly because it damages the body as well as the brain, is used in larger amounts and through longer periods. Meanwhile people who have used MDMA at parties when young (and then stop using it, as most will) will have mostly no noticeable adverse long-term effects. Now of course if you consumed alcohol at anywhere near the frequency you consume water that wouldn't be…

"but if you consumed MDMA at any where near the frequency it is safe to consume alcohol it would not go well"

Yes, it's a nonsense to compare that.

Re: Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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MDMA can be extremely dangerous to your long term mental health. I'm not saying it doesn't have valid medical benefits, it certainly seems to, but if you consumed MDMA at any where near the frequency it is safe to consume alcohol it would not go well. Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legal, but lets not pretend it is comparable to alcohol. Edit: TL;DR MDMA probably has incredible medical benefits, but this do…

Pretty much any drug can be extremely dangerous. I see this response often (and I’m not critzizing you here) but look: painkillers, right? Given all the time. Can be EXTREMELY dangerous. Alcohol: CAN BE extremely dangerous. Millions of people die a year in alcohol related death. Nicotine: dangerous. Blood pressure medication: can be dangerous. Birth control pills...also dangerous. Drugs are freaking dangerous. Anythi…

I completely agree with you. I just don't want to reinforce the impression that MDMA can be treated/used in the same way as tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, or even LSD. I am not opposed to its use, medically or recreationally, I just want to make clear that it is something that should be treated with more care and caution that, say, marijuana.
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