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Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by yeloboy »

yeloboy wrote: post #30
masto wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason it looks sensationalistic is that it is. This is the result of an anti-science advocacy group called EWG that put out a press release that's being republished by various lazy news outlets. This is the same group that has made claims that vaccines cause autism and cell phones cause brain cancer. Unfortunately, this type of article is irresistible to the media and it's getting a ridiculous amount of traction…

There's nothing reputable about that site. Deal with it, reputable organisations have classified glyphosphate as a carcinogen.

*glyphosate

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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darpa_escapee wrote: post #12
koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

The levels the EPA considers safe is for use on crops . These are the levels deemed safe for levels in food [1]. The median seems to be about 0.2ppm for glyphosate levels in food meant for human consumption. [1] https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=0f2a0a6738...

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Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by saalweachter »

darpa_escapee wrote: post #12
koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

The levels the EPA considers safe is for use on crops . These are the levels deemed safe for levels in food [1]. The median seems to be about 0.2ppm for glyphosate levels in food meant for human consumption. [1] https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=0f2a0a6738...

In the case of oats (and cereal grains in general), it's 30 ppm (30,000 ppb).

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by saalweachter »

ajju wrote: post #7
koliber wrote: post #5

I don't understand what this article is trying to convey. > One sample of Quaker Old Fashioned Oats measured at more than 1,000 parts per billion of glyphosate. That's 1 part per million (ppm), found in one particular sample. I imagine this was the most extreme outlier, as otherwise it would not be mentioned as prominently. And then, right in the next sentence: > The Environmental Protection Agency has a range of saf…

Using parts per billion for one stat and parts per million for the other is just wrong. If that is not a typo it's shameless sensationalism at its worst. Surprising to see this from the guardian. Even at 1 ppm it is above the line, so they didn't need to sensationalize it.

0.1 ppm is the limit for popcorn; the limit for oats and other grains is 30ppm, so 1ppm is well under the limit for oats.

The 310 ppm mentioned in the article is the limit for "grain aspiration fraction", which I believe is the stuff that falls off grain when you clean it with air(?), which is not something you'd normally be eating, so I don't know why the Guardian pulled that number out. The highest limit I saw in the EFCR tables for anything people would be eating seemed to be mint at 200ppm; most everything else was under 100ppm for human consumption, and the things with 200, 300, 400 ppm limits was animal feed.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by zeroego »

I work for the customer service department of one of the companies listed. Yesterday was hell and today is shaping up to be pretty terrible. People aren't even reading the article and they're calling in telling us how we're personally killing their children. I just had a customer telling me how GMO's are toxic and how I'm personally complicit in giving her young son cancer. Read the original article people. At least know the difference between GMO's and glyphosate for Pete's sake.

Re: Significant levels of glyphosate found in popular breakfast cereals

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Post by beenBoutIT »

gruez wrote: post #29
strainer wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement, which has been developing for over 60 years now - it would be a hopeless situation if it resulted in "just as much, if not more, pesticides". Do you have any substantial sources for such a tragic claim? For example here[1] is an EU funded meta-review from 2014 which finds: " the frequency of occurrence of pestic…

>Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement why does that matter when the still spray as much pesticides you want and still call it "organic"? call it the "pesticide free movement" or something, but don't conflate it with "organic", which is essentially a meaningless marketing term at this point, at least when it comes to food safety.

Not to mention fungicides and herbicides, which are also permitted with "organic" farming. https://tilth.org/app/uploads/2014/12/can-i-use-this-pestici...

"Hydrogen peroxide and potassium bicarbonate, two familiar substances that are relatively new as fungicides, are also permitted."

"Various natural substances have been tried as herbicides with mixed success. Clove oil is a botanical that is effective."

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Post by strainer »

gruez wrote: post #29
strainer wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement, which has been developing for over 60 years now - it would be a hopeless situation if it resulted in "just as much, if not more, pesticides". Do you have any substantial sources for such a tragic claim? For example here[1] is an EU funded meta-review from 2014 which finds: " the frequency of occurrence of pestic…

>Considering reduction of pesticide use and exposure is one of the main objectives of the organic movement why does that matter when the still spray as much pesticides you want and still call it "organic"? call it the "pesticide free movement" or something, but don't conflate it with "organic", which is essentially a meaningless marketing term at this point, at least when it comes to food safety.

"they still spray as much pesticides you want"

Organic labelled produce cant, it is subject to greater restrictions of pesticide use than general international farming regulations. Honestly, if you dont acknowledge this very basic reality of organic certification then your arguments against it are besides reason.

Organic certification is not a "meaningless marketing term" like for example "family farm" can be. It means the farm has been advised and reviewed to follow restrictions on pesticide, fertilizer use and other practices which are applied in addition to regional and national farming regulations.

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