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Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

onecooldev24 wrote: post #24
matthewmacleod wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Freedom of speech” does not include the right to demand that third parties are partners in your activities. Infowars is and should remain free to publish content independently of these providers, which they can easily do.

We are living in a state of monopoly and EU laws agree with that. How can you then throw away freedom of speech! Just cause the goons on this forum are pissed, doesn't mean that guy should be banned. 48% of population voted for trump!

> We are living in a state of monopoly

In what sense? Apple has a minority of the market. And podcasts are decentralised.

> 48% of population voted for trump

My friends who voted for Trump would find it insulting for anyone to assume they are therefore InfoWars nutters.

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by crooked-v »

onecooldev24 wrote: post #18
kenjinp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fire in a crowded theatre?

Floating ideas is not "Fire in a crowded theatre"!

Slandering and encouraging harassment against the families of mass murder victims is not "floating ideas".

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by jiojfdsal3 »

dagenix wrote: post #29

As a reminder to everyone: the constitutional guarantee to freedom of speech means that the _government_ cannot censor any views (outside of certain exceptions for threatening language, and the like). It does not mean that a private entity has to enable speech that they find objectionable.

So you support the idea that Verizon and AT&T should be free to block whatever content they wish, correct?

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by phs318u »

ch4ck wrote: post #10
i_am_nomad wrote: post #6

I've never listened to it, and in fact I have no idea who that guy is or what he talks about, except that he's supposedly a conspiracy theorist. For those of you who have, what made his show so objectionable (to Apple, anyway)?

He supports POTUS.

He supports denial of reality, and he's reaching (part of) his audience on Apple's platform. They are within their rights to elect to remove him if he violates their terms of service.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other podcasts that support POTUS that haven't been removed.

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by matt4077 »

jiojfdsal3 wrote: post #9
skc wrote: post #3

Their platform, their rules. Good on Apple I say.

Thoughts on net neutrality?

It’s something completely different, and invoking the term for unrelated concepts is bound to muddy the waters and doom the fight for actual net neutrality.

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by matthewmacleod »

onecooldev24 wrote: post #24
matthewmacleod wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Freedom of speech” does not include the right to demand that third parties are partners in your activities. Infowars is and should remain free to publish content independently of these providers, which they can easily do.

We are living in a state of monopoly and EU laws agree with that. How can you then throw away freedom of speech! Just cause the goons on this forum are pissed, doesn't mean that guy should be banned. 48% of population voted for trump!

Apple does not have a monopoly on podcast distribution. Infowars is not being kicked off because “Trump”.

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by yontherubicon »

i_am_nomad wrote: post #6

I've never listened to it, and in fact I have no idea who that guy is or what he talks about, except that he's supposedly a conspiracy theorist. For those of you who have, what made his show so objectionable (to Apple, anyway)?

Well, they're calling it hate speech. He doesn't talk about any particular ethnic group (not even Jews, despite what his detractors might say).

He's against IIRC having trans children take puberty blockers, which might be an issue, but TBH an argument can be made for the well-being of the child.

No, I think this is an issue of twitter-mob pressure against Itunes after Spotify announced they would keep Infowars content. And there are, AFAIK very few people who care one way or the other. It's more a slim minority of people who hate Alex Jones' views and wish to have his content blocked much the same way trolls are trying to take out Rick and Morty.

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jiojfdsal3 wrote: post #22
cm2012 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hate mongering Conspiracy theorist" is not a protected class.

Nor is LGBT

> Nor is LGBT

SCOTUS has ruled discriminating against a gay man to be akin to discriminating against him for his sex. Sex is undoubtedly a protected class. The argument is, roughly, that the person would face no prejudice if they were a woman marrying a man. But because they are a man marrying one, the treatment changes. It’s a bit convoluted, but it makes sense.

Re: Apple is removing Alex Jones and InfoWars’ podcasts from iTunes

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Post by Endy »

threeseed wrote: post #23
mrschwabe wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, now let's make open decentralized app distribution platforms that cannot be censored like this.

Go right ahead. And then watch as nobody uses them. Because nobody other than a fringe minority actually wants free speech in all its deranged, violent, racist, mysgonistic, cruel, abusive forms. The majority of us just want a nice, safe space free from the nasty side of humanity.

So your theory is that most people want supposedly-benevolent fascism, rather than liberty and freedom?
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