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Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by rocky12 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #20
scarface74 wrote: post #8

It couldn’t be any worse than “specially trained officers” who are able to detect whether someone is high by thier mannerisms and arrest people who aren’t using anything. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-drug...

That article is completely terrifying. * I am much too much of a control freak to ever ever try drugs; no moral issue, just not for me. * I have a drink of something on social occasion maybe once or twice a year, maybe not. Never got behind the wheel with even a sip of alcohol that day, let alone a glass, let alone anything approaching legal limit. But I'm a klutz and I'm an introvert and I get nervous easily and I h…

I was charged with a DWI a year ago. The case is still going through the court system.

I was pulled over for speeding, going 36 in 35. Yes I am serious, one mile over. But this wasn't surprising to me, I am a young Hispanic man so this is a normal occurrence for me.

First thing the officer said was "boy you look nervous". As most adults pulled over by police feel. I handed my license and insurance over. The license had my old address the insurance had my most recent. He asked? "Is this your address", "yes", "why is the address different?", "because I moved a couple of months ago and have not had time to drop by the DMV", "Step out of the car sir"

I refused the field sobriety test but offered a breathalyzer. I blew a .034, that's less than half the legal limit.

He asked more questions, I answered but was short and untalkative.

He ended up arresting me. I asked him, why if I blew half the legal. He gave me three reasons. One; I was speeding and that I must be intoxicated to not notice the speed signs, two; I was uncooperative and nervous and that's a sign of drug or alcohol use, and lastly I forgot my address so I was obviously impaired.

The latest offer from the prosecutor was moving my charge down to reckless driving with 1 year of probation. My lawyer says I can probably get it dismissed.

It has been the worst experience of my life. Thank god I have enough money to hire one of the best lawyers in town, for $7k btw.

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by hirundo »

bdcravens wrote: post #24
hirundo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done that too, and I should have been busted for that too. Is it really better to risk other lives due to lack of sleep than from too many drinks? For some stranger's little kid in another car's back seat, impaired is impaired.

By that standard, that stranger could be arrested for careless driving because the child in their back seat was screaming for a juice box and they were allowing themselves to be distracted.

Failure to control a vehicle is a violation in the places I've lived. It applies regardless of circumstances. Ice patch, animal runs in front, screaming toddler, whatever the cause, you can still be arrested for it.

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by bdcravens »

hirundo wrote: post #32
bdcravens wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that standard, that stranger could be arrested for careless driving because the child in their back seat was screaming for a juice box and they were allowing themselves to be distracted.

Failure to control a vehicle is a violation in the places I've lived. It applies regardless of circumstances. Ice patch, animal runs in front, screaming toddler, whatever the cause, you can still be arrested for it.

In which case you need no VR setup, as the event happened prior to the officer interaction. Most of what you described is a ticket, not an arrestable offense.

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

scarface74 wrote: post #8

It couldn’t be any worse than “specially trained officers” who are able to detect whether someone is high by thier mannerisms and arrest people who aren’t using anything. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-drug...

Exactly. The article even says as much. It simply detects if someone smoked something with THC in the last two hours. So there is no consideration for actual impairment?

My bullshit detector went off when the creator of the device said "this device has a lot of science in it."

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by darpa_escapee »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #20
scarface74 wrote: post #8

It couldn’t be any worse than “specially trained officers” who are able to detect whether someone is high by thier mannerisms and arrest people who aren’t using anything. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-drug...

That article is completely terrifying. * I am much too much of a control freak to ever ever try drugs; no moral issue, just not for me. * I have a drink of something on social occasion maybe once or twice a year, maybe not. Never got behind the wheel with even a sip of alcohol that day, let alone a glass, let alone anything approaching legal limit. But I'm a klutz and I'm an introvert and I get nervous easily and I h…

> But I'm a klutz and I'm an introvert and I get nervous easily and I have NO idea what kind of "signs" my body would display in stressful situation with a police officer at night (my body an my brain have an uneasy working relationship - we mostly put up with each other:).

It was a little too hot to go for a run the other night, so I decided to go for whatever is between a jog and a power walk.

I was stopped by a cop, whose first words were, "What are you on? Pills? Uppers?" which continued on for about ten minutes along with accusations of trying to break into cars(?).

When you go out looking for a problem, and view those you're supposed to protect as dangerous, this is what happens.

The end result is that I'm wary to go for a run at night lest I get accused of crimes I didn't commit. So yes, if you're walking awkwardly or are a klutz, that means you're on drugs to some cops.

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by darpa_escapee »

komali2 wrote: post #30
NikolaNovak wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is completely terrifying. * I am much too much of a control freak to ever ever try drugs; no moral issue, just not for me. * I have a drink of something on social occasion maybe once or twice a year, maybe not. Never got behind the wheel with even a sip of alcohol that day, let alone a glass, let alone anything approaching legal limit. But I'm a klutz and I'm an introvert and I get nervous easily and I h…

You can opt for the breathalyzer in most states, or they'll take you back to the office for a blood test. If they take you to the office though they'll probably tow your car as a little extra bit of "fuck you" for exerting your rights

> You can opt for the breathalyzer in most states, or they'll take you back to the office for a blood test.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that if you opt out of a breathalyzer, they'll still charge you with a DUI and the courts will consider the breathalyzer refusal as an equivalent to being intoxicated.

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by singingfish »

eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #34
scarface74 wrote: post #8

It couldn’t be any worse than “specially trained officers” who are able to detect whether someone is high by thier mannerisms and arrest people who aren’t using anything. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-drug...

Exactly. The article even says as much. It simply detects if someone smoked something with THC in the last two hours. So there is no consideration for actual impairment? My bullshit detector went off when the creator of the device said "this device has a lot of science in it."

Cannabis detection devices in Australia (NSW anyway, maybe VIC and other states) seem to have a detection window of a couple of days or more. So it's almost entirely moral policing operational over here. This would be an improvement on that.

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

rocky12 wrote: post #31
NikolaNovak wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is completely terrifying. * I am much too much of a control freak to ever ever try drugs; no moral issue, just not for me. * I have a drink of something on social occasion maybe once or twice a year, maybe not. Never got behind the wheel with even a sip of alcohol that day, let alone a glass, let alone anything approaching legal limit. But I'm a klutz and I'm an introvert and I get nervous easily and I h…

I was charged with a DWI a year ago. The case is still going through the court system. I was pulled over for speeding, going 36 in 35. Yes I am serious, one mile over. But this wasn't surprising to me, I am a young Hispanic man so this is a normal occurrence for me. First thing the officer said was "boy you look nervous". As most adults pulled over by police feel. I handed my license and insurance over. The license h…

Wow. That is awful. I'm sorry this happened to you, but thanks for sharing.

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by IAmGraydon »

rocky12 wrote: post #31
NikolaNovak wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is completely terrifying. * I am much too much of a control freak to ever ever try drugs; no moral issue, just not for me. * I have a drink of something on social occasion maybe once or twice a year, maybe not. Never got behind the wheel with even a sip of alcohol that day, let alone a glass, let alone anything approaching legal limit. But I'm a klutz and I'm an introvert and I get nervous easily and I h…

I was charged with a DWI a year ago. The case is still going through the court system. I was pulled over for speeding, going 36 in 35. Yes I am serious, one mile over. But this wasn't surprising to me, I am a young Hispanic man so this is a normal occurrence for me. First thing the officer said was "boy you look nervous". As most adults pulled over by police feel. I handed my license and insurance over. The license h…

I must be missing something here. What are you actually charged with? DUI? How can that stand in court at all if the breathalyzer obviously proves you were under the limit?

Re: Developing a viable cannabis breathalyzer

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Post by cellis »

rocky12 wrote: post #31
NikolaNovak wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is completely terrifying. * I am much too much of a control freak to ever ever try drugs; no moral issue, just not for me. * I have a drink of something on social occasion maybe once or twice a year, maybe not. Never got behind the wheel with even a sip of alcohol that day, let alone a glass, let alone anything approaching legal limit. But I'm a klutz and I'm an introvert and I get nervous easily and I h…

I was charged with a DWI a year ago. The case is still going through the court system. I was pulled over for speeding, going 36 in 35. Yes I am serious, one mile over. But this wasn't surprising to me, I am a young Hispanic man so this is a normal occurrence for me. First thing the officer said was "boy you look nervous". As most adults pulled over by police feel. I handed my license and insurance over. The license h…

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