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Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I think it's pretty clear at this point Google is willing to sell their own mothers (and your data) just to keep those profitable quarters up for many more years. As more advertisers start preferring Facebook, I think Google will become even more de…

Dont be evil was pretty much meaningless to begin with. Its not like there was a clear definition, and not being evil is a far cry from being actively a force for Good.

Sure it had meaning. It was protest against the old Microsoft.

Now that google is big enough to have the sort of financial incentives old Microsoft did, they’re making the same decisions. No it’s not identical, the EU is after them for their anticompetitive behavior, not the US.

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I think it's pretty clear at this point Google is willing to sell their own mothers (and your data) just to keep those profitable quarters up for many more years. As more advertisers start preferring Facebook, I think Google will become even more de…

>First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I'm sorry, but providing services to the US military (as an American company) does not qualify as 'evil'. I hear the same insane calls for not providing services to ICE, a federal, civilian agency enforcing American democratically-derived laws. Wit…

You are correct, but unfortunately people do not use rational thought when discussing emotional issues, especially in today's highly politicized and socially sensitive environment.

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I think it's pretty clear at this point Google is willing to sell their own mothers (and your data) just to keep those profitable quarters up for many more years. As more advertisers start preferring Facebook, I think Google will become even more de…

>First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I'm sorry, but providing services to the US military (as an American company) does not qualify as 'evil'. I hear the same insane calls for not providing services to ICE, a federal, civilian agency enforcing American democratically-derived laws. Wit…

Spoken like a true boot licker.

It is absolutely the responsibility of every sovereign citizen and every company made up of those citizens to resist objectively evil behavior regardless of the larger apparatus at work.

Saying it “isn’t fair” for google to take the high road is the most asinine childish argument you could possibly put fourth.

It isn’t fair that people are having their human rights curtailed for profit. So that some people in some part of the world get amazing healthcare and amazing lunches, others have to suffer.

ICE was invented recently under Bush in 2003 preceding the Homeland security act. You are wrong to say we democratically voted in ICE. Even if we did vote it in, kidnapping children is evil fullstop and should be protested.

No American is free of using third world slave labor. This is unavoidable and all we can do is bring attention to it.

Your kowtowing to the powerful and buying into their propaganda is insanely stupid, evil and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I think it's pretty clear at this point Google is willing to sell their own mothers (and your data) just to keep those profitable quarters up for many more years. As more advertisers start preferring Facebook, I think Google will become even more de…

>First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I'm sorry, but providing services to the US military (as an American company) does not qualify as 'evil'. I hear the same insane calls for not providing services to ICE, a federal, civilian agency enforcing American democratically-derived laws. Wit…

Both being considered evil by a significant portion are a direct result of their own past actions. Saying "it is unfair to be judged morally for your actions while in power" is fundamentally about as much of an excuse as "I didn't shoot the guy I paid people to do it and they were just following orders so really nobody is at fault here!"

ICE's conduct isn't following the laws unless there were changes that called for putting tearing children away from families to place in steel cages in the custody of known child molesters and psychotropically drugging children without specialized medical licensing. Even if you accept their job the way they beyond the pale. They are literally acting in ways that would get a work critically panned as having such cartoonishly evil strawmen villains a few years ago. Don't fall for the hypernormalization efforts.

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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Google is already censoring content in the US and EU, not even the same results in all countries, and we asked for it, so what's so much different about following Chinese law?

A massive difference in the amount of censorship, for one.

Arguably (very arguably), US and EU censorship is somewhat justified by the attempt to protect individuals, but Chinese censorship is pretty blatantly about protecting existing power structures (in the name of "stability").

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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Google is already censoring content in the US and EU, not even the same results in all countries, and we asked for it, so what's so much different about following Chinese law?

The difference is about the same as purchasing a firearm for self-defense vs. purchasing a firearm as part of a plan to invade someone else's house.

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First the military drones, now getting in bed with China, and the law straw was removing almost every mention of "Don't be evil" from its workers' code of conduct manual. I think it's pretty clear at this point Google is willing to sell their own mothers (and your data) just to keep those profitable quarters up for many more years. As more advertisers start preferring Facebook, I think Google will become even more de…

I guess it's what you get when you get judged by revenue growth, not just revenue, or even by people-employed-and-kept well-fed or some other more sensible metric.

Measuring companies “by people-employed-and-kept well-fed or some other more sensible metric” strikes me as a fantastic idea.

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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There seems to be a hypocrisy with people upset about censorship on behalf of China, but don’t seem all that upset about censorship on behalf of the EU (eg RTBF) or censorship when it supports their politics (eg hate speech) I don’t support this theoretical move, but asserting Google should pull out/stay out of China and not obey/comply with local laws, and yet argue that the EU local laws should have global reach se…

Yes, censoring hate speech and censoring any thought slightly critical of a repressive regime are exactly the same thing. /s

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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There seems to be a hypocrisy with people upset about censorship on behalf of China, but don’t seem all that upset about censorship on behalf of the EU (eg RTBF) or censorship when it supports their politics (eg hate speech) I don’t support this theoretical move, but asserting Google should pull out/stay out of China and not obey/comply with local laws, and yet argue that the EU local laws should have global reach se…

Yes, censoring hate speech and censoring any thought slightly critical of a repressive regime are exactly the same thing. /s

Free speech is only valuable if it protects speech you don’t like including the worst most vile forms of it.

In some societies, criticizing religion, parodying religious icons counts as bigotry and hate.

American liberals used to be pretty united and in agreement with Voltaire but it seems things have changed.

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