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Re: Evolving Floorplans

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Did you miss the part about "light on two sides of every room"? These evolved designs seem optimised for nothing that actually matters to human comfort.

I took this as an initial exploration of genetic algorithms for architecture. As such, the idea is more interesting than the specific parameters and weights chosen here. You'll notice as you scroll down that this article _does_ vary the parameters and weights. For instance, the one that optimizes for windows tends to create interior courtyards. I could imagine adding parameters and weights for thresholds, areas for c…

The resulting designs could be fed through a variety of simulators, environmental, social, construction feasibility, etc.

One could also use a supervised classifier and have people rank the resulting designs. They can know what they like, but not why.

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Why is it considered good to minimize walking time and hallway time in schools?

There are actually a few good reasons beyond "ze children must be OPTIMIZED!" - fire safety, mentioned in the post, is one of them.

How many elementary school children have perished in school fires in the last 25 years?

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Those floor plans creep me out and i don't know why.

They give the impression of the building being alive. And therefore your presence is potentially a threat that it will deal with and you'll be trapped for an eternity in an endless maze of reconfiguring hallways and dead ends.

Well I wasn't feeling this way but now I am... Seriously though I prefer the more organic feel. I don't really like square hallways and I wouldn't mind being in a rounder room. though it would need to take into the actual requirements of the rooms. A shop class needs both a lot of space and square enough walls/floor plan that they can fit in equipment without a ton of wasted space.

Re: Evolving Floorplans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are actually a few good reasons beyond "ze children must be OPTIMIZED!" - fire safety, mentioned in the post, is one of them.

How many elementary school children have perished in school fires in the last 25 years?

> How many elementary school children have perished in school fires in the last 25 years?

How much effort has society put in to ensure that they don't?

Re: Evolving Floorplans

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I was at a vehicle AI conference early this month discussing how AI will only output based on the quality of its inputs. And the fear coming out of that conference was if space wasn't correctly dedicated or allocated, the AI will optimize the systems as much as it can to squeeze out every single ounce of efficiency. Qualitative items such as the ones listed are important for customer focused environments, however, I'…

Like I mentioned, I have high hopes modelling vaguer aspects of customer preference can be incorporated by training a model on rendered generative design (e.g. with data from amazon turk), which can then be used as maybe some kind of penalization on the efficiency loss function, multiplied by a weight to give us a choice in the efficiency-comfort tradeoff-space. There are solutions that I think show potential out the…

Could another parameter be how it crumples in a crash? I don't want my AI supercar to transform into inescapable cage on impact.

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I can see this kind of architecture being the next fad in architecture as a kind of next step from the Gehry-style architecture. I can totally see someone pr firm or tour guide bragging "our building was designed by a computer algorithm to be optimized for our needs..."

Re: Evolving Floorplans

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These kinds of tools are mostly about the input constraints, heuristics, and weights. I'd love to see more about this with more practical constraints (rectilinear rooms and hallways, minimum area for cafetaria/gym, etc) and additional heuristics, such as window area in classrooms, number of hallways/intersections for ease-of-navigation, and building costs beyond just material use.

> building costs beyond just material use Yep. The "optimized" floorplans would be an order of magnitude more expensive to build than the original. I mean, drywall alone would take a lot more time with all the cuts, mudding and sanding more joints. The thought of framing out these walls makes my head hurt.

What about concrete 3D-printing?

(I'm not even sure if it's real or feasible; I just remember a bunch of pop news articles with a video of a large CNC machine depositing concrete to construct a building.)

Re: Evolving Floorplans

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I can see this kind of architecture being the next fad in architecture as a kind of next step from the Gehry-style architecture. I can totally see someone pr firm or tour guide bragging "our building was designed by a computer algorithm to be optimized for our needs..."

"...on the day it was designed. Of course, by the time construction was completed there had been 2 re-orgs and a pivot so now we're just making the best of things"

Re: Evolving Floorplans

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i am a product of american public school. in every school all the classrooms (except portables) had a wall that was mostly windows. you can see thats also true in the original school design. i’d rather have a ton of windows than shorter distance to walk. you could feel the enclosed difference in portable rooms
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