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Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not my response to every bit of news, but this article is about as content free as it gets. A bit of substantiation would go a long way towards covering the 'reveal' in the title, as it is not much of anything is revealed.

This is where it comes from: https://youtu.be/NlCJokZcwJA?t=15m24s (Starts at 15m 24s)

The recorded live chat to the side of that video is one of the most bizarre-o things I've seen. Literally ran like a few bots ended up in the chat together and kept firing off like in https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditSimulator/

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

#32

I know this is about congressional campaigns, but does anyone remember this from 2008? https://www.theguardian.com/global/2008/nov/07/obama-white-h... I wonder why that never reached the same amount of outcry when Obama won.

Because there was a follow-up (PRC looking for policy data): http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52133016/t/chinese-hacked-obama-mc...

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

#33

I know this is about congressional campaigns, but does anyone remember this from 2008? https://www.theguardian.com/global/2008/nov/07/obama-white-h... I wonder why that never reached the same amount of outcry when Obama won.

> I wonder why that never reached the same amount of outcry when Obama won. Because Obama won...

You think the Republicans wouldn't latch on to a credible vote-manipulation story if they saw one?

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

#34

I know this is about congressional campaigns, but does anyone remember this from 2008? https://www.theguardian.com/global/2008/nov/07/obama-white-h... I wonder why that never reached the same amount of outcry when Obama won.

I've been thinking a lot about this type of thing and have come up with what I think is a reasonable understanding. Unfortunately it requires some context and I haven't been able to boil it down to a one-liner.

Ignore potential enemies such as Russia and China for a moment. Instead, think about our "best friend," the UK. What are the odds that the UK has hacked our politicians and has dirt on every major politician from the past few decades? I would estimate this at 100% chance. Everyone who can hack does. And they hack their allies as well as their enemies. If we had a chit chat with UK where we agreed to stop hacking each other, what are the odds that we'd go back to our respective corners and stop hacking? That's gotta be 0%. The intelligence community on both sides would never stop. If someone gets caught, publicly, hacking us, we'll shake our finger at them but not really raise a fuss. And we'll do this pretty much no matter who does it. Because it's just standard operating procedure for global politics.

So where does that leave us with China and Russia hacks? What is so particularly upsetting about the Russia hacks as opposed to the Chinese hacks or UK hacks? I think the distinction is disclosure. Hacking information and using it covertly is one thing. Releasing your dirt on the leaders of foreign Democracy-ish countries is tantamount to attempting to overthrow that government. That is what Russia supposedly/apparently did and what makes it different from China. Russia literally attempted a coup. I think there are legitimate arguments to be made that it was ultimately ineffective, maybe Trump would've won anyways, etc. But if the hacking/release allegations are true, then this was nothing short of a coup attempt. Not necessarily in favor of a Russian puppet, but at the very least in favor of a (Putin) preferred government.

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

#35

I know this is about congressional campaigns, but does anyone remember this from 2008? https://www.theguardian.com/global/2008/nov/07/obama-white-h... I wonder why that never reached the same amount of outcry when Obama won.

Because those files weren't leaked in an attempt to undermine one of the campaigns.

This isn't complicated.

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder why that never reached the same amount of outcry when Obama won. Because Obama won...

You think the Republicans wouldn't latch on to a credible vote-manipulation story if they saw one?

Are you implying the the current year and a half hysteria about Russia is credible? Even the people still pushing it say no votes were manipulated!

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hackers broke into the computer systems of the Barack Obama and John McCain campaign teams during the US presidential race and stole a ''serious amount of files" in an operation that US government cyber experts believe originated from China." Probably because it wasnt one foreign hostile power directing attempting to sway one specific candidate. Or perhaps because there was no evidence or allegations against Obama o…

> it wasnt one foreign hostile power directing attempting to sway one specific candidate Any idea where can I read more about the analysis around this determination?

I am interested also.

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

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I think the press should do a better job distinguishing between hacking attempts and phishing attempts. Phishing attempts are largely avoidable and it would serve not just the politicians but the public to be educated on best practices to avoid being phished. At my previous company we were tested once a month to learn how to identify suspicious landing pages or links/domains.

I don't know anybody who specializes professionally in phishing that believes this. What I hear from those kinds of people, and many others, is the opposite: that especially when you're trying to secure an organization, the one attack you feel helpless to prevent is targeted phishing. Technologists in particular are apparently easy to victimize; they underestimate how malleable the medium is, and how well sophisticat…

That's so true. Our IT dep runs "fake" fishing attacks regularly and last time they did it I totally got caught.

They happened to send a fake error report email (which had all of the "red flags" you should catch before clicking a link in an email) on the day I started an oncall rotation that had me receive similar emails. I was wary of missing one, so when I saw it coming, :click:.

I was greeted with a nice message to educate me about what I had just done and how to avoid it. I knew all of this of course (Ive worked in security!), but it just shows how no one is foolproof.

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hackers broke into the computer systems of the Barack Obama and John McCain campaign teams during the US presidential race and stole a ''serious amount of files" in an operation that US government cyber experts believe originated from China." Probably because it wasnt one foreign hostile power directing attempting to sway one specific candidate. Or perhaps because there was no evidence or allegations against Obama o…

> it wasnt one foreign hostile power directing attempting to sway one specific candidate Any idea where can I read more about the analysis around this determination?

Start with the parent comment's quote of the grandparent comment's link, which mentions that both major parties had their files copied.

Re: Microsoft reveals first known midterm campaign hacking attempts

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think the Republicans wouldn't latch on to a credible vote-manipulation story if they saw one?

Are you implying the the current year and a half hysteria about Russia is credible? Even the people still pushing it say no votes were manipulated!

You are moving the goalpost there. No one ever said that votes were manipulated.

What everyone has been saying is that (a) Russia hacked the DNC emails and laundered them through Wikileaks, (b) provided financial assistance to Republicans via channels such as NRA, (c) setup and promoted a mass fake news network on Facebook, Twitter et al.

Meanwhile 12 Russians are indicted, a dozen or so Trump campaign officials (so far) have been implicated and pretty much everyone doesn't know what the hell happened at that Russia press conference.

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