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When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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I once unsolved a murder I discovered online, causing very unwelcome consequences for the victim's family. So I can relate to some aspects of this story. First, trying to solve a cold-case can utterly consume you in a way that is impossible to truly comprehend unless you've lived it. It haunted my dreams and waking hours, even ones when all I wanted to do was think about something else for long enough to relax. Secon…

my work freed an innocent man who was serving life in prison

If you are allowed to, can you share the story?

Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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I once unsolved a murder I discovered online, causing very unwelcome consequences for the victim's family. So I can relate to some aspects of this story. First, trying to solve a cold-case can utterly consume you in a way that is impossible to truly comprehend unless you've lived it. It haunted my dreams and waking hours, even ones when all I wanted to do was think about something else for long enough to relax. Secon…

my work freed an innocent man who was serving life in prison If you are allowed to, can you share the story?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply the story was a secret. It was the murder of Michelle O'Keefe, for which Sgt. Raymond Jennings was wrongfully convicted.

I wrote about Ray's exoneration in the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-jeff-sessions-ca...

There's more details in a prior post on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12010760

NBC News also did an episode of Dateline about it: https://www.instagram.com/p/BMnDkslA3wi/

Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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For all the legal scholars: 1. Aren't death records public? 2. Would anyone else have a claim to knowledge of the deceased's real name? (ex: if "Lyle Stevik" didn't pay his hotel bill)

Records are public, but the problem is one of searching for a small needle in a large haystack: ~7k people die in the United States every day. I can think of a couple ways to narrow that down and get to a probable answer, but they all would take money, manual effort, or both. To your second question, any debts owed by the deceased would be paid out of his estate. There's no guarantee that creditors would actually bot…

Interesting, thanks for the info.

Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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Weren’t they, in this case? Somebody died and wasn’t identified, and they helped get this person identified.

If you had a missing loved one would you invite them to solve it?

I wouldn’t even have to—they volunteered, and even paid the money for the DNA test themselves.

Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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I once unsolved a murder I discovered online, causing very unwelcome consequences for the victim's family. So I can relate to some aspects of this story. First, trying to solve a cold-case can utterly consume you in a way that is impossible to truly comprehend unless you've lived it. It haunted my dreams and waking hours, even ones when all I wanted to do was think about something else for long enough to relax. Secon…

Have you considered becoming a detective in the police force? Why were the police not the ones to solve it?

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my work freed an innocent man who was serving life in prison If you are allowed to, can you share the story?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply the story was a secret. It was the murder of Michelle O'Keefe, for which Sgt. Raymond Jennings was wrongfully convicted. I wrote about Ray's exoneration in the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-jeff-sessions-ca... There's more details in a prior post on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12010760 NBC News also did an episode of Dateline about it: https://…

How did you train yourself to solve cases? I cant help but let the hacker mindset speak for all of us and ask how did you "disrupt" this case, how did you learn, self teach? yourself what's necessary to solve a case? What were the legal channel you took to get someone exonerated? What hunch inspired you to investigate in the first place? And why that case? Surely there are many cases where the evidence just isnt compelling? What steps did you and your father take to go about getting this man out? How did you convince the DA?

Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply the story was a secret. It was the murder of Michelle O'Keefe, for which Sgt. Raymond Jennings was wrongfully convicted. I wrote about Ray's exoneration in the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-jeff-sessions-ca... There's more details in a prior post on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12010760 NBC News also did an episode of Dateline about it: https://…

How did you train yourself to solve cases? I cant help but let the hacker mindset speak for all of us and ask how did you "disrupt" this case, how did you learn, self teach? yourself what's necessary to solve a case? What were the legal channel you took to get someone exonerated? What hunch inspired you to investigate in the first place? And why that case? Surely there are many cases where the evidence just isnt comp…

These are great questions, but I feel awkward hijacking a thread that isn't really about my experience. The Dateline NBC episode does a great job telling the whole story, including how I got involved. My Washington Post article explains how we persuaded the DA's office.

I am an autodidact, so diving into new subjects is something I naturally enjoy doing. The obsessive focus and intellectual flexibility that helped me in other areas, like computer programming and missile-defense research, worked just as well for forensics and criminal-profiling.

One example that sticks out is how I was able to refute the opinion of the FBI's top criminal profiler by going through and reading the reference text that is the equivalent of the DSM, but for behavioral analysis. He was listed as a co-author, so it would have been easy to assume that he was applying the standards correctly, but I was able to show that his thesis did not match the evidence.

The hardest question to answer is "why this case?" It is as close to a miracle as I've ever experienced ... some force I can't explain caused me to stay up late one night and watch an old TV-special about the murder on my computer, even though I don't watch TV and had zero prior interest in the true-crime genre.

The words of the accused professing his innocence before God were so powerful that, even as an atheist at the time, I felt compelled to look into the case more.

Being used as an instrument to correct a horrible injustice made me reconsider my belief in a higher power.

Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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Well, yes, they're not hard to find, but you certainly can't find them everywhere. Could be gaming or knitting or racing or rock climbing or what have you. The formula for a healthy online community is (0) you must base the community on something objective, a skill like "we are great at (video game)", not something like an idea or opinion. (1) An actual, real threat of exclusion that's acted on. You cannot include pe…

Try making friends irl, you'll notice the difference

Looks like I'm defeated, guys. Healthy online communities can't exist I guess. When someone defends jcroll from down votes, he does a pathetic unhealthy thing. Now nobody can have nice things. QED.

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Re: When a cold case is solved, why can't internet sleuths move on?

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How did you train yourself to solve cases? I cant help but let the hacker mindset speak for all of us and ask how did you "disrupt" this case, how did you learn, self teach? yourself what's necessary to solve a case? What were the legal channel you took to get someone exonerated? What hunch inspired you to investigate in the first place? And why that case? Surely there are many cases where the evidence just isnt comp…

These are great questions, but I feel awkward hijacking a thread that isn't really about my experience. The Dateline NBC episode does a great job telling the whole story, including how I got involved. My Washington Post article explains how we persuaded the DA's office. I am an autodidact, so diving into new subjects is something I naturally enjoy doing. The obsessive focus and intellectual flexibility that helped me…

Well congrats man.

That's impressive and im glad it was such an intellectual as well as spiritual journey for you.

Teach me, or share with me some of your self lerning tips. You seem to be a high functioning autodidact, whats your method? Where do you get your knowledge? sources?

Also, what is DSM?

Missile-defense research? That sounds impressive, how would someone even get started on that??

And now forensics And criminal profiling. Now that you have a working proficiency in these subjects, what would you recommend others use to learn these subjects?

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