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Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Interesting though experiment: Let S be the set of all humans. Remove any human from S who had at least one pair of ancestors (no matter how far in the past) that had a boss/subordinate relationship that is now deemed 'inappropriate' in large western countries. How many humans would be left in S?

Conjecture: Zero.

Does that say anything interesting about humans?

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

The problem wasn't that she was a coworker. It was that she was a subordinate.

Nobody cares if two engineers hook up, but it's a Very Bad Thing if your boss starts putting the moves on you. Relationships where one person holds real-world power over another are prone to exploitation and violation of consent.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a few workplaces forbid relationships between managers and their subordinates. As CEO, that presumably puts everyone off-limits.

Seems odd to apply it after the fact in this case, though. Perhaps there was an ulterior motive for removing him. Otherwise I would expect Intel to just hide the information in order to protect the financial interests of the company.

There’s almost always some complicating factor we don’t know about in cases like this: I would bet that blackmail was involved, he tried to cover it up, and the board felt they couldn’t trust him as a result of the cover-up. Because you’re right; most companies would just include the lower level employee in a round of layoffs and pay them a couple years salary to stay quiet about it all.

I feel companies are getting a #MeToo pass in cases like this: Wall Street hasn’t been holding companies responsible for the bad personal behavior of execs if those companies address the issues proactively. Investors are only punishing them if the problems are representative of the overall culture; and in this case that does not seem to be the case.

But I’m almost certain that he wouldn’t have been fired without lying to the board in a coverup. Violating fraternization policies usually isn’t a firable offense — a CEO only gets fired when the board of directors loses the ability to trust them.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems odd to apply it after the fact in this case, though. Perhaps there was an ulterior motive for removing him. Otherwise I would expect Intel to just hide the information in order to protect the financial interests of the company.

Something strange is happening in Intel land, Brian Krzanich recently sold off the majority of his Intel stock, only retaining the minimum number allowable: http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/04/technology/business/brian-kr...

Probably saw this coming and wanted to convert stock into cash to avoid ay small print about stock clawbacks.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

Just not people you have a supervisory role over, because obviously that could be coercive.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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So my question is: Was the female employee also fired? If not, why not?

I think the superior->subordinate part of this is a much bigger offense than two equals breaking a no-dating policy. The situation leaves the manager and the company at risk of all kinds of harassment and abuse allegations.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

That is not an accurate restatement of the policy.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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post #19

So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

The policy only applies to people who directly or indirectly report to you.

If you're CEO, yeah that means you can't date anyone at work. But for anyone else it only eliminates some % of the dating pool.

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