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Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by s73v3r_ »

malvosenior wrote: post #28
s73v3r_ wrote: post #25

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ICE is ripping children away from their parents, and locking them in camps. No matter your political affiliation, you should find that abhorrent. And there is exactly no law which requires this. It is entirely a Trump administration directive.

As I mentioned to you in my other comment... People are breaking the law and their families are suffering because of it. It has nothing to do with Trump, it's a conscious risk these people are taking as they attempt to bring their families into the country illegally.

No, this is entirely about Trump. It is Trump's administration that is enacting this. There is absolutely no reason for it to happen other than their own cruelty.

Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by s73v3r_ »

malvosenior wrote: post #27
s73v3r_ wrote: post #23

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It is, however, a massive human rights violation to separate children and parents like that. Regardless of what the opposing side believes regarding entering the country, that action is simply barbaric.

Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No. People are breaking the law and their families are being separated because of it. This is squarely on the people breaking the law, not the people enforcing it.

"Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No."

I cannot take a single thing you say seriously now that you are comparing murder to people fleeing from danger and trying to give their children a better life. You are supporting a needlessly cruel policy, and what's worse, you are hiding that, trying to justify it by saying that its the law, when there is exactly no law whatsoever that forces this action.

Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by malvosenior »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #32
malvosenior wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No. People are breaking the law and their families are being separated because of it. This is squarely on the people breaking the law, not the people enforcing it.

"Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No." I cannot take a single thing you say seriously now that you are comparing murder to people fleeing from danger and trying to give their children a better life. You are supporting a needlessly cruel policy, and what's worse, you are hiding that, trying to justify it by saying that its the law, when there is exactly no law whatsoever that…

So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested? That's all this is about. People are breaking the law, getting caught and being detained. No amount of hyperbole is going to help your case with people that aren't already deeply immersed in your philosophy. I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue.

Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by s73v3r_ »

malvosenior wrote: post #33
s73v3r_ wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No." I cannot take a single thing you say seriously now that you are comparing murder to people fleeing from danger and trying to give their children a better life. You are supporting a needlessly cruel policy, and what's worse, you are hiding that, trying to justify it by saying that its the law, when there is exactly no law whatsoever that…

So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested? That's all this is about. People are breaking the law, getting caught and being detained. No amount of hyperbole is going to help your case with people that aren't already deeply immersed in your philosophy. I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue.

"So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested?"

And this is why I can't take you seriously; you are very clearly not arguing in good faith.

"I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue."

You are very clearly not neutral on this issue. And quite frankly, I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up.

Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by malvosenior »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #34
malvosenior wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested? That's all this is about. People are breaking the law, getting caught and being detained. No amount of hyperbole is going to help your case with people that aren't already deeply immersed in your philosophy. I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue.

"So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested?" And this is why I can't take you seriously; you are very clearly not arguing in good faith. "I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue." You are very clearly not neutral on this issue. And quite frankly, I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of sepa…

Illegal immigration is illegal. If you do it you are literally a criminal. How is that not arguing in good faith?

> I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up.

You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion.

Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by joering2 »

malvosenior wrote: post #20
joering2 wrote: post #18

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The was a good book the title I forgot about, how IBM almost went bankrupt before thriving because of political contracts with Nazi party to design and deliver system to clasify prisoners in concentration camps during Hitler’s era. Seriously this is not a poor-taste joke!!

That book is called IBM and The Holocaust and it is indeed very good. IBM wasn't going bankrupt before working with the Nazi's though. It talks about how IBM rolled out punch-card technology originally developed for the census to the Nazi's via its German subsidiaries. I don't see the parallels here though. Nazi's were detaining and murdering their own citizens. ICE is enforcing existing laws against illegal immigrat…

> The laws it is enforcing may be controversial to some, but it's not the executive branch's place to write new laws.

I just showed this to my grandfather (he is German) and he told me to tell you that it was exactly the same reasoning when Nazis started War War 2 in September of 1939.

Many of his friends and family members were saying back then that if you have something against executive branch murdering Polish people, then you should vote Chancellor Hitler out in the next election, because German soldiers are only executing given orders.

Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by malvosenior »

joering2 wrote: post #36
malvosenior wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That book is called IBM and The Holocaust and it is indeed very good. IBM wasn't going bankrupt before working with the Nazi's though. It talks about how IBM rolled out punch-card technology originally developed for the census to the Nazi's via its German subsidiaries. I don't see the parallels here though. Nazi's were detaining and murdering their own citizens. ICE is enforcing existing laws against illegal immigrat…

> The laws it is enforcing may be controversial to some, but it's not the executive branch's place to write new laws. I just showed this to my grandfather (he is German) and he told me to tell you that it was exactly the same reasoning when Nazis started War War 2 in September of 1939. Many of his friends and family members were saying back then that if you have something against executive branch murdering Polish peo…

We're talking about enforcing an existing law against illegal immigration (which every company has a concept of) and not murdering our own citizens so the two are in no way comparable.

Re: Azure Government and ICE

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Post by s73v3r_ »

malvosenior wrote: post #35
s73v3r_ wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested?" And this is why I can't take you seriously; you are very clearly not arguing in good faith. "I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue." You are very clearly not neutral on this issue. And quite frankly, I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of sepa…

Illegal immigration is illegal. If you do it you are literally a criminal. How is that not arguing in good faith? > I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up. You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion.

Because this is affecting those who show up to apply for asylum as well. That is not illegal.

Not to mention that crossing the border is a misdemeanor. Comparing that to something like murder is not discussing in good faith.

"You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion."

Again, there is no law whatsoever that states that the government must separate children from parents at the border. Not a single one. And I choose not to associate with people who would support such a barbaric and inhumane practice. They may hold whatever opinions they wish on the subject of immigration, but once they issue support for these inhumane practices, I lose all respect for them and their positions.

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