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I put all my personal data on eBay

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Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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post #23

I just finished reading Radical Markets ( http://a.co/7cNafHl ) and it's funny to see this HN story because the last chapter was about "data labor" where the authors claim that we're all working for FB/GOOG/etc to generate data to train the AIs that makes profit for these companies. And that it's time for "data workers of the world to unite" into a "data labor movement" so we can get paid for our work (I found it kin…

> I found it kind of silly but worth thinking about

This was my reaction to 95% of the book. Until Radical Markets, I'd never read a nonfiction book that I found so absurd and detached from reality and yet provoked so much useful thought. I worry that others may not realize how detached it is, and that the net effect may not be positive, but we'll see.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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post #2

Didn't know Ebay suddenly allowed digital goods again

Always did, you just have to state you own copyrights:

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-ite...

When you sell digitally delivered goods on eBay, you must include a statement in your listing that says you legally own the content or are authorized to sell it.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

#34
post #18

Let’s normalize our exploitation with humor.

I wouldn't say it's normalizing the exploitation. It's putting it in perspective. My first thought when I read this post was "Why would you do that? That seems really stupid!", but then remebered, this is what we are already doing essentially. Only on a larger scale, and hidden from view.

And to think - if you didn’t have such a good memory, metaphors like this would be lost on you!

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Context: this fellow (Oli Frost) is something of a social media satirist, having previously built LifeFaker ( http://lifefaker.com/ , a place to buy your way to Instagram fame), and Flopstarter ( http://flopstarter.com/ , a Kickstarter clone for terrible ideas). I found the latest idea pretty funny - actually trying to monetize your data instead of letting companies do it for you is kind of a cute turnabout. In any c…

I wish he had an RSS feed.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit?

These companies provide services that you, a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

#38

Context: this fellow (Oli Frost) is something of a social media satirist, having previously built LifeFaker ( http://lifefaker.com/ , a place to buy your way to Instagram fame), and Flopstarter ( http://flopstarter.com/ , a Kickstarter clone for terrible ideas). I found the latest idea pretty funny - actually trying to monetize your data instead of letting companies do it for you is kind of a cute turnabout. In any c…

I wish he had an RSS feed.

http://olifro.st/feed.xml

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? These companies provide services that you , a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

I don't understand this either. The big ad companies have a huge incentive to keep your data secret, so only they can serve you ads. The big privacy danger will always be the government through the ISPs.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? These companies provide services that you , a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

For one, it pigeonholes your internet experience. Systems like this basically take the simplest, stereotyped, one-note view of you from a snapshot of your online activity, and constantly projects that judgment back at you.

Buy a microwave oven on Amazon, for example, and now you're seeing microwaves everywhere. If you browse Youtube with cookies enabled, it's a terribly limited experience compared to with cookies blocked. The recommendations are circular within the topics you've browsed and never expose you to the broad content out there. It's a much better experience when recommendations are simply associated with the video you're currently watching, instead of from your viewing history. The data selling effect causes this sort of thing to percolate among your entire web experience.

Another is simply monetization of the self without being part of that direct monetization stream. To some people, if actual money is made off them, it seems unfair they don't get a cut. Receiving services doesn't suffice in those people's minds.

Many people are fine with sites selling ad space & what's being viewed, but are not fine with their personal information being attached to it, for basic privacy concerns.

So, of course, there's the Big Brother aspect which is socially unhealthy, and has chilling effects on freedom of expression. Obviously, there is strong, negatively associated generational memory still in play from places like North Korea and Nazi Germany, where people are/were constantly spied on for "incorrect" beliefs and statements. Certainly the personal data collection & warehousing portion of this industry can evoke similar fears here. People have already experienced negative effects like ending up on no-fly lists for zero understandable reason, presumably because of government snooping with false positives or incorrect association with similarly-named people.

Imagine if every time you went to a store, a federal agent followed you around with a clipboard with 2 columns labeled "Terrorist?" and "Child predator?". For every item you looked at, the agent would make marks evaluating how much that reflects one of the two columns. You're an upstanding citizen with zero affiliation to those categories, yet marks are being made. That's what online surveillance (for whatever reason, including PII-linked advertising) feels like to many. Even if the columns are "only" political affiliation or touchy social issues, the same response can be had.

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