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EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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As public regulators all over the world are busy pushing regulations (what else? that is their sole job after all) maybe it is time to stop and ask: are we losing more than we are gaining? Everything has a price and free markets are the only mechanism for determining that price. But regulations overwrite that price with one determined by politics and lobby and populism. This new price is paid by all no matter if we w…

Imagine most of those involved in regulations are barely able to use Word/Excel, yet are "elected" to decide the fate of technology.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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This seems a highly unusual approach. Does it achieve anything at all? At least in the UK, our convention is normally that representatives only deal with their own constituents, and we have a set of MEPs for each geographical region. If you're in the UK, you can identify and contact yours via WriteToThem: https://www.writetothem.com/

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Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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It would be great if all these new regulations only applied to companies of X size. Scrappy startups with no access to good lawyers and understanding of these regulations are more likely to suffer vs the big guys who were the cause of all of these changes in the first place.

I'm an advisor to several startup European search engines which are likely to be annihilated by the combination of these changes and the GDPR.

Now that you mention it, how are Google themselves deemed to be compliant with the GDPR? If I put up a blog containing my name and email address, and that ends up in a Google search result for my name, have I consented to this use of my personal data just because my blog is on the public web?

The infamous "right to be forgotten" (and the robots.txt standard) gives me an ability to opt-out of some uses of the data on my blog, but I thought that the GDPR is more stringent about requiring opt-in rather than opt-out.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coming up next: European publishers discover that search engines preferentially link non-European publishers due to the link tax. Coming up after that: More unexpected effects.

Coming up after that: More unexpected effects. Which presumably most of us in Europe won't hear about, if all the sites with a link/discussion format like HN and Reddit will be faced with paying huge fees or stopping/geoblocking/etc...

Does anyone know if the transatlantic telegraph cables are still operational? We'll do our best to keep you in the loop!

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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This is blatant fear mongering. Furthermore, calling these directives 'link tax laws' is simply a cheap frame. You can link to articles freely. Including a snippet that has 'no independent economic significance' is allowed. Agreed, that is not very precise. But is that really such a big deal?

Sure, you might get sued. That's life. You have to trust the reasonableness of the courts. And don't worry, they won't go after you. The publishers will go after some big fish such as Telegram (which blatantly copies entire articles and strips it of everything but the article). Case law / Jurisprudence / Jurisprudentie / Fallrecht will develop around this issue and everyone will be happy.

And for some, just including a minimal snippet may not be an option. They'll have to pay. That's also life. Journalists and publishers need to eat too. Their work is too important to be allowed to wither.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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post #4

GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. The start-up industry will be a long forgotten dream. These old b@$%%%s will turn the internet into cable television. Scumbags would want to go back to a world of slavery, colonisation and wealth locked up as gold in personal treasuries. I hope all the other countries follow suit and then the only thing we will be able to aim for is a job in…

Why so? These laws are unenforceable or at the least unenforceable outside of the EU’s jurisdiction. If EU citizens are blocked from a website, they will access it behind a VPN like people in Russia and China are currently doing. Governments haven’t managed to shut down torrents in 20 years of trying and buying drugs on darknet markets has never been easier. How much power do you think they have?

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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From the associated article about this supposed "link tax".

> Anyone using snippets of journalistic online content must first get a license from the publisher.

Re-publishing a portion of a published work is not a "link". A link is only a reference (address) where something (e.g. a published work) may be found, which not part of the work itself. Displaying a portion of work might be an allowed "fair use"? (I only know US copyright law; the EU may have very different laws about when it is "fair" to bypass copyr8ight and use part of a work)

However, it is important to remember that (at least in US-like jurisdiction) that the amount of work included in a snippet is one of several features used when judging if a use is "fair". Another important question is if the use affects the market for the original work. An academic paper that quotes snippets from an article is probably fair (nobody would read the paper as a substitute for reading the original article), while an aggregator using the same snippets may not be a fair use if people are reading the aggregator to read the article instead of continuing to the original publisher. In general, each case probably requires judge to rule if a specific use is "fair".

> Because readers need to know what a link leads to before clicking, sites almost always include a snippet of the linked-to content as part of a link.

This is deliberately attempting to conflate re-publication with a hyperlink. Link previews are not needed, are not used for the vast majority of links on the web. Claiming that previews are "almost always" included is patently a lie.

Should it be necessary, this kind of feature is better implemented in the user agent. I'm fairly certain I saw link prefetch+preview extensions for Firefox ~10 years ago.

> Small publishers disadvantaged: Aggregators create a level playing field for independent publishers with less brand recognition to reach audiences.

Did Google or FB write this doublespeak? Allowing aggregators to republish copyright protected works benefits the big players by allowing them to steal existing markets.

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