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SPI is a standard, right? What is the problem in using SPI?
SPI is easy, and well understood. For firmware editing I often use an external flasher for updating the ROM, and use flashrom to do so. Accessing the SPI bus on the Intel chipset, from the computer itself, is undocumented and usually requires reverse engineering.
This is the whole open source community destroying (edit: maybe better term would be "damaging") itself. Basically it starts civilly about finding the one best way to do something. They agree to disagree. Then there 2 standards...Then 4, then 8 all not having the effort exerted to make each solution great. Then one party writes something like "don't buy this it not free/ doesn't do this". And in the end 99+% of peopl…
Hyperbole Dozens of projects have gone this way and the open source community still exists It’s almost as if the notion of one size fits all is a utilitarian idea to simplify production of physical goods We need to maybe look at why we keep trynna force that on more ephemeral ideas I’m not obliged to speak English any one why. Why bother with making sure everyone runs the same code or manages only one or two key proj…
Most distros STILL ship ext4 despite there being better options.
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Aren't you the same fellow who suggested to me a few months ago that Redox was a realistic, superior alternative to running OpenBSD in production?
I never said anything of the sort, and would be surprised if you could provide any evidence of this. Redox is not ready for production and I am not hesitant to admit so.
This is the whole open source community destroying (edit: maybe better term would be "damaging") itself. Basically it starts civilly about finding the one best way to do something. They agree to disagree. Then there 2 standards...Then 4, then 8 all not having the effort exerted to make each solution great. Then one party writes something like "don't buy this it not free/ doesn't do this". And in the end 99+% of peopl…
Hyperbole Dozens of projects have gone this way and the open source community still exists It’s almost as if the notion of one size fits all is a utilitarian idea to simplify production of physical goods We need to maybe look at why we keep trynna force that on more ephemeral ideas I’m not obliged to speak English any one why. Why bother with making sure everyone runs the same code or manages only one or two key proj…
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The Linux community really does eat its own. For a long time the question was - when will there be a Linux supporting laptop. Now a company comes and does it and the complaint is they aren't bespoke enough.
As someone who uses Linux on a laptop (ThinkPad) and would love to support a Linux-first laptop vendor, the question I've always had about System76 specifically is: what value exactly do they add? System76's pitch is that they add value by ironing out all the compatibility issues Linux can have on laptops, so they "just work" the way macOS does on MacBooks and Windows does on ThinkPads and Dell XPSes. But they're mad…
You can say they aren't working on the right things - or that they aren't doing enough. All fair - but clearly they aren't just installing Linux on OEM laptops.
Just don't touch system76. They're just low quality rebranded Sager laptops with a crap version on Linux. You can just buy the same laptop and if you really like their horrible version of Linux, then put that on there.
Alternatively, there's Purism ( https://puri.sm ), who actually take security and build quality seriously. Edit: looks like the system76 downvote brigade is hitting this discussion.
Tbh, I'm fairly convinced and have been for some time now that someone involved with that group is part of a voting ring on HN.
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I never said anything of the sort, and would be surprised if you could provide any evidence of this. Redox is not ready for production and I am not hesitant to admit so.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15843918 Feel free to read the two parent comments and the responses to the one linked.
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The Linux community really does eat its own. For a long time the question was - when will there be a Linux supporting laptop. Now a company comes and does it and the complaint is they aren't bespoke enough.
As someone who uses Linux on a laptop (ThinkPad) and would love to support a Linux-first laptop vendor, the question I've always had about System76 specifically is: what value exactly do they add? System76's pitch is that they add value by ironing out all the compatibility issues Linux can have on laptops, so they "just work" the way macOS does on MacBooks and Windows does on ThinkPads and Dell XPSes. But they're mad…
Disclaimer: typing this on my work machine, which happens to be a System76 laptop. Mine came with Ubuntu, and a special System76 PPA for what appears to be firmware reasons.
Also, with a higher-end config I don't recall the Sager/Clevo options I saw being much cheaper, if at all. The comparable ThinkPad was more money, though it did include some things I didn't actually need (mainly something more than Intel graphics) -- could've been nice, might've been annoying per the other Optimus complaints I recall seeing recently.
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15843918 Feel free to read the two parent comments and the responses to the one linked.
That appears to be him asking a question. Its not evidence for any of your claims.
But it's nice to know that I can just phrase all of my statements in the form of a question and then I can never be held accountable for stating them.
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The Linux community really does eat its own. For a long time the question was - when will there be a Linux supporting laptop. Now a company comes and does it and the complaint is they aren't bespoke enough.
As someone who uses Linux on a laptop (ThinkPad) and would love to support a Linux-first laptop vendor, the question I've always had about System76 specifically is: what value exactly do they add? System76's pitch is that they add value by ironing out all the compatibility issues Linux can have on laptops, so they "just work" the way macOS does on MacBooks and Windows does on ThinkPads and Dell XPSes. But they're mad…
* System76 came before the Dell XPS (as far as out of the box installed Linux).
* System76 drivers are distributed via private repo.
* Dell's patch work is often upstreamed so non-Dell hardware/customers can benefit.
* When I bought a Dell XPS 13 9160 it shipped with many hardware issues. Keyboard double press issues, screen flicker, and (my personal favorite) a null pointer bug in the WiFi so that if you switched wifi connections it would result in a kernel panic.
* Never had any driver issues or bugs I had to sort out on my own with my System76 and my Galago UltraPro is still trucking.
* System76 support is vastly superior to Sputnik support, the one time I needed System76 I emailed them and they sent a replacement part (ethernet gate). For Dell, at least back when I was actively using it as my daily driver, User forums were the primary support channel.
* System76 (for now) uses Clevo as a thrid-party system provider (just like Sager).
* Dell uses their own manufactured hardware which is often a step above in build quality.
Based on my experience with both and with installing Ubuntu most recently on my Dell Alienware 13, I seriously doubt that Ubuntu "just works" with the hardware. Even on my Alienware where I replaced the Broadcom networking card with an Intel one for better Linux support, I still had to do some tweaking to resolve graphics issues and various other minor annoyances. For reference, part of the changes I had to apply I followed from here:
https://github.com/andrewwakeling/alienware-13-r3-ubuntu-16....
So while, hopefully, the amount of work System76 has to do these days to configure Ubuntu is small, I have no trouble believing that there is still some to be done. In particular hardware integration things like keyboard back light control or proper optimus support probably involves some amount of work.
At the end of the day, System76 came out of the box as a working Ubuntu machine with 0 work or tweaking required from me. And even now my System76 Galago UltraPro is still the only laptop which I have had that 0-configuration experience with (and it's still trucking).
For me, both have their strengths and weaknesses. If I were in the market for a new, Ubuntu pre-installed laptop...I would still consider both.