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Does anyone know if Apple uses Kubernetes in their cloud?
https://www.infoq.com/news/2015/05/mesos-powers-apple-siri
I would be surprised if they haven't done a k8s PoC at the very least though.
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Kubernetes came out of the engineering team at Google. It was created by engineers for engineers. The fact that it's being exploited by enterprise consulting types doesn't change that premise.
But there's this from a fairly influential former googler: https://medium.com/@steve.yegge/honestly-i-cant-stand-k8s-48... It's a quick read, but to summarise: it's almost as complex as google's internal borg system but the benefit isn't even close (partially because nobody else has google problems). I can't down K8s personally, as I've never used it myself. But I wonder if there's the possibility of a system that's…
Kubernetes is one of those rare cases where the industry is rallying around a technologically sound platform that emerged from the trenches, and not something that was designed to create jobs for consultants. It's great. Right now, there's a bunch of fairly traditional players such as Red Hat, but none of them are in a position to mess it up. What I'm waiting for, though, is for a big player to do a modern, clean "Ku…
Many of the k8s founders have left google. Google doesn't use it internally. I'd actually start looking away from gcp at this point for k8s, given google's history of dropping stuff that they're bored with.
I wouldn't equate Google's consumer facing products with their cloud/enterprise products.
Does anyone know if Apple uses Kubernetes in their cloud?
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Well RedHat's OpenShift.com is kinda that, have a look at it !
Maybe. I'm skeptical of Red Hat. The openshift.com web site, which is definitely not geared toward engineers, doesn't give me any confidence that this is what I'm after. Not that Google is better here, but I already know what GCP provides; something that wants to compete with GCP/GKE really needs to explain why they're a viable competitor. (And to people who design these things: If you need to have a "Products" dropd…
Does anyone know if Apple uses Kubernetes in their cloud?
Kubernetes is one of those rare cases where the industry is rallying around a technologically sound platform that emerged from the trenches, and not something that was designed to create jobs for consultants. It's great. Right now, there's a bunch of fairly traditional players such as Red Hat, but none of them are in a position to mess it up. What I'm waiting for, though, is for a big player to do a modern, clean "Ku…
Well RedHat's OpenShift.com is kinda that, have a look at it !
Frankly, it was a supremely painful platform to work on. They obfuscated just enough of the k8s API to make it simultaneously completely unintuitive for less "orchestration minded" team members, yet severely underpowered for me and my fellow platform workers. It struck an unhappy medium for our team that no-one wanted or needed.
All my looks at OpenShift suggest that not enough has been peeled back to make it a useful platform-on-a-platform, but since they probably paved the way for certain features, those features have predominantly been implemented (and more tightly integrated) into k8s. RedHat is going to need to come up with a new value proposition for OpenShift for it to ever be a truly viable alternative to "raw" Kuberenetes, and given their buy-in to the technology, I'm not convinced they'll want to throw away the work they've done so far. Good money after bad, or something.
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We were on DigitalOcean before GCP. They're okay. They're cheap, but can't really compare to GCP in terms of performance, stability, networking, object storage, etc. Their Kubernetes offering is also a GKE competitor, not a "Kubernetes first" cloud.
At least DO supports IPv6, for our application the 40ms latency penalty we encountered for half our customers when on GCP from not supporting IPv6 was not worth it. On that note, HE.net really peers with everyone over IPv6, even ISPs that won't peer with them on IPv4, its quite impressive how much better the routing can be on certain ISPs due to this!
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Many of the founders (e.g. Brendan Burns) are still working on Kubernetes, so I don't see how that's relevant. Google is heavily invested in Kubernetes, and so is a bunch of other companies. According to googlers here on HN, Google does use Kubernetes internally via GCP/GKE. But clearly those apps are in the minority, given Google's huge investment in Borg.
I thought Brendan Burns went to Microsoft and was working on something unrelated now?
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But there's this from a fairly influential former googler: https://medium.com/@steve.yegge/honestly-i-cant-stand-k8s-48... It's a quick read, but to summarise: it's almost as complex as google's internal borg system but the benefit isn't even close (partially because nobody else has google problems). I can't down K8s personally, as I've never used it myself. But I wonder if there's the possibility of a system that's…
Every tech companies with thousands of employees has google problems.
You don't go Google scale because it's cool to. You either do it because you absolutely have to, or you don't because, thankfully, you don't have to.