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Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

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Re: Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

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post #10

"we don't see any immediate systemic risk issues" - Warsh, 11 July 2007 https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-110hhrg38388/html/CHRG-11...

Please be specific; the link between the financial crisis and a hypothetical FedCoin is not at all obvious.

Not OP, but I think the point being made is that his prior judgement on financial matters doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

That said, I have some sympathy for any policy maker giving public statements in an overheated economy: the seeds of the crisis have already been laid and the statements one makes may actually precipitate the crisis rather than avoid it...

Re: Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

#32
post #19

What is a "blockchain"? To me, a blockchain is a way of solving double-spend problems in a Merkle tree maintained by open distributed consensus, by using some scheme to resist Sybil attacks. The scheme is not necessarily proof-of-work, but the fact that there's a double-spend problem and you're solving it is key to the idea. If you don't have a double-spend problem because all your transactions commute (e.g., Certifi…

I would say this is a rather limited, technical understanding of a blockchain. The three most interesting aspects of a blockchain are (1) the state of blockchain is visible to all participants (2) the rules (the code) for changing the state is visible to all participants and (3) there is some mechanism to detect and punish rule breakers and aggressors who try to deform the state. Look at it this way and indeed a blockchain is really a very sophisticated collaboration model.

You don't need the distributed consensus or the decentralization or the trustlessness. There are blockchains with central coordinators and without trustlessness that may still prove very useful especially in global finance. People think Bitcoin or Ethereum are complicated but really, they are nothing compared to the global financial system. Distributed blockchain databases are much more elegant than what we have today in terms of achieving consensus on a very large (global) scale.

FedCoin is a crazy idea but it's not stupid. A national public ledger would open a lot of very interesting doors. (Though the republic would likely collapse, see my other comment.) Even if the Fed required only trusted nodes (ie bank-like entities) it still would provide everything from a true national ID system to real, binding peer-2-peer lending between citizens to a system where everybody has perfect, real-time visibility into the national economy (unlike the primitive system we have today where the Fed collects a bunch a data, massages it, and then announces it each month.) Lots of other problems -- everything from medical records to real-estate -- become a lot more tractable.

Re: Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

#33
post #25

The basic premise of this headline represents a complete failure to grasp the point of a cryptocurrency, which is to take the power of money issuance away from incumbent authorities who can back it with physical force (that is, states), and devolve it into a first order power available to any social group. The paradoxical claim that a centralized bank could ever issue currency based on the presumption of decentralize…

We tried the "anyone can issue money" model in the 1800s, all it led to was bank runs and scams. The current system exists for a reason. If the blockchain crowd wants to relearn those lessons, they are welcome to, as long as they keep their shenanigans out of the real economy and away from people who don't want anything to do with the experiment.

... while minimizing the wasteful environmental impact of blockchains due to the power requirements of each transaction.

This is probably the one "feature" of blockchains that will kill it, since they're based on proof-of-lots=of-work, and work needs power.

Re: Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

#35
post #10

"we don't see any immediate systemic risk issues" - Warsh, 11 July 2007 https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-110hhrg38388/html/CHRG-11...

Please be specific; the link between the financial crisis and a hypothetical FedCoin is not at all obvious.

The connection is that this is the same person making both predictions.

Re: Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

#36
post #32
post #19

What is a "blockchain"? To me, a blockchain is a way of solving double-spend problems in a Merkle tree maintained by open distributed consensus, by using some scheme to resist Sybil attacks. The scheme is not necessarily proof-of-work, but the fact that there's a double-spend problem and you're solving it is key to the idea. If you don't have a double-spend problem because all your transactions commute (e.g., Certifi…

I would say this is a rather limited, technical understanding of a blockchain. The three most interesting aspects of a blockchain are (1) the state of blockchain is visible to all participants (2) the rules (the code) for changing the state is visible to all participants and (3) there is some mechanism to detect and punish rule breakers and aggressors who try to deform the state. Look at it this way and indeed a bloc…

What? There is no mechanism to "detect and punish rule-breakers" in either Ethereum or Bitcoin. Bitcoin's only mechanism is to push global human-readable alerts, or to pressure rule-breakers to stop through a blog post, as in the case of SPV mining: https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2015-07-04-spv-mining.

If you define "rule-breaker" as "generates invalid blocks", then the only punishment rule-breakers receive is that... their block is invalid, they're ignored, and they get to try again next time.

I don't see any sophisticated collaboration model in play here.

> Even if the Fed required only trusted nodes... Lots of other problems -- everything from medical records to real-estate -- become a lot more tractable.

Why aren't they solved by a database and a public API? What does the blockchain add?

Re: Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

#39

How about fedDigitalCash? It's crazy that I pay a few percent of every transaction to visa for no reason every time I buy anything in 2018

Yes, paying a few % on every transaction to move kilobytes of information over a network is absurd. The true cost is less than pennies but the EMV cartel led by VISA has successfully kept the price many orders of magnitude higher, employing anti-competitive tricks like: hiding the cost to consumers by contracually preventing retailers from increasing prices for VISA payments.

Re: Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

#40
post #25

The basic premise of this headline represents a complete failure to grasp the point of a cryptocurrency, which is to take the power of money issuance away from incumbent authorities who can back it with physical force (that is, states), and devolve it into a first order power available to any social group. The paradoxical claim that a centralized bank could ever issue currency based on the presumption of decentralize…

We tried the "anyone can issue money" model in the 1800s, all it led to was bank runs and scams. The current system exists for a reason. If the blockchain crowd wants to relearn those lessons, they are welcome to, as long as they keep their shenanigans out of the real economy and away from people who don't want anything to do with the experiment.

this is stupid statement, equivalent to saying everyone can make their facebook, yes, so? social site like money needs mass adoption to be functional, not anyone can release cryptocurrency that will be mass adopted instantly..
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